Anyone know?
I'm loosing my a$$ in mine for over a year now, 8% down. No matter what fund I can choose from in my plan, the majority are in the negative. I just got it back to where it was in 2008 last year. So I've stayed stagnant for 7 years. My thought process is at least I can pay back my 401K with a positive interest to off set the negative and lower my taxable income.
At least the company match helps offset the loss.
Buts its down across the board. My Vanguard IRAs, which have averaged about 18% gains in each of last 5 years, are being severely beaten up right now.





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I'm loosing my a$$ in mine for over a year now, 8% down. No matter what fund I can choose from in my plan, the majority are in the negative. I just got it back to where it was in 2008 last year. So I've stayed stagnant for 7 years. My thought process is at least I can pay back my 401K with a positive interest to off set the negative and lower my taxable income.
In most any conditions this is a bad play, not just the current conditions. Others have discussed the IRS penalty ramifications, so I won't write about them. Once your money is contributed, let it ride.
A 401k or 3b isn't a short term investment; not even a 5/10-year investment. Pulling money out locks your losses permanently and what was once a hypothetical loss on paper would then be an actual loss (and tax credits are a dismal compensation).
Conventional wisdom says the strategy of pulling money out and reinvesting it later (a. k. a., "timing the market") is a really bad play. Three things have to happen for that strategy to be correct in practice--1) your timing 'out' has to be perfect every time; 2) your timing 'in' has to be perfect every time; 3) you have to have the 'guts' repeatedly to get back in... for example, the DOW drops 2,000 points and NASDAQ drops 300 over 2 weeks' time; the media talks 'panic' and nothing else-- and nothing you read or hear from the 'experts' makes better sense, so you pull out... the DOW bounces back up 500 and steadies for 3 months, see-sawing back and forth; you re-invest. During the next week, it drops again, 700 points. You've lost more money. Are you going to pull out? If so, when will you reinvest this time? How do you guarantee you'll have the financial guts to do it again and this time stay the course? Or will you just do as so many others have, and regard the "short-term" (say, a one-year trend) as your last burn? ("I'm not putting any more money into that investment medium")
"I just got it back to where it was in 2008 last year. So I've stayed stagnant for 7 years." Same as a lot of folks; you're better off than those who cashed out. The good news is you're back. Remove your money for 10 specific, and selected days out of those last 7 years, and you'd still be down extremely badly. All you have to do is miss 15 days during the last eight years when the DOW had +200-gain days, and your portfolio would look like it did in 2009.
"My thought process is at least I can pay back my 401K with a positive interest to off set the negative and lower my taxable income." I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
I know you're not specifically asking about timing the market, but the process of removing and returning the money later is essentially just that. Regular periodic "repayments" won't automatically reduce your losses but a withdrawal could easily increase them just through opportunities lost during the days when the market bounces very well.
It was all done over the phone in just a few minutes, then went to the branch to show them the truck and pick up a check to use for whatever I wanted. It was a better rate than a home equity line or a used older car.
Last edited by Forcedvert; Feb 25, 2016 at 09:02 PM.









