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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 02:47 PM
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So my car looks like this

As you can see, the colors are off. Idk bought it that way. But what bulb am I needing to get to make them both white? I bought a pair of Philips 9006 CVB2 bulbs and they are not what my other bulb looks like. I wasn't expecting this. This is the bulb I need but it also says 9006? Looks completely different
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 03:30 PM
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Looks like a HID to me. Are there ballasts down there somewhere?
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jcgunn
Looks like a HID to me. Are there ballasts down there somewhere?
Yeah I I believe I saw something that could have been a ballast. Fair enough, well I shall look for some HID's then
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyPfucterpus
Yeah I I believe I saw something that could have been a ballast. Fair enough, well I shall look for some HID's then

Haha so then what can I search for to replace them? is it just a wiring harness with a bulb?
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyPfucterpus
Haha so then what can I search for to replace them? is it just a wiring harness with a bulb?
Several forum vendors sell HID kits and replacement bulbs. Most consist of a plug-and-play ballast with HID socket. There are many "colors" of bulb. They are listed by temperature in degrees K.
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 07:39 AM
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I am sure someone else will chime in here as well, but putting HID bulbs in halogen housings is not a good idea. They housing is not made to direct the light from the bulb properly which blinds oncoming traffic. I know that I get disgruntled when I run across someone who has done this especially trucks with lift kits.
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by msupc
I am sure someone else will chime in here as well, but putting HID bulbs in halogen housings is not a good idea. They housing is not made to direct the light from the bulb properly which blinds oncoming traffic. I know that I get disgruntled when I run across someone who has done this especially trucks with lift kits.
HID bulbs need to be installed in housings that have specifically-designed HID reflectors.
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
HID bulbs need to be installed in housings that have specifically-designed HID reflectors.
Not really. HID bulbs in the factory housings were one of the first mods I did, and their high cutoff was identical to stock. Cheap, and effective, but low beam only.
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Not really. HID bulbs in the factory housings were one of the first mods I did, and their high cutoff was identical to stock. Cheap, and effective, but low beam only.
This is absolutely not true. The cut off is no where near as clear and the halogen housing casts light all over the place. The halogen housing is absolutely not designed to properly reflect the light from the HID bulbs. Folks who do this blind other drivers on the road with low beams or high beams.

A simple search on the interwebs for "HID bulb in halogen housing" will yield conversation after conversation on this very topic.

The only way you can even get close to pulling this off is to put HID bulbs in halogen projectors. When you do this you still need to lower the cutoff so you don't blind other drivers on hills and such, but it still not a recommended practice.
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Originally Posted by msupc
This is absolutely not true. The cut off is no where near as clear and the halogen housing casts light all over the place. The halogen housing is absolutely not designed to properly reflect the light from the HID bulbs. Folks who do this blind other drivers on the road with low beams or high beams.

A simple search on the interwebs for "HID bulb in halogen housing" will yield conversation after conversation on this very topic.

The only way you can even get close to pulling this off is to put HID bulbs in halogen projectors. When you do this you still need to lower the cutoff so you don't blind other drivers on hills and such, but it still not a recommended practice.
Tell that to me again. You might believe everything you read, but I've lined up before and after on a measurable wall, on level, at different distances, and the pattern was the same, just brighter. Way brighter. I've never been flashed by oncoming cars after 13 years. I'm sure you have the $1500-3000 lighting system that you need to justify, but I'm satisfied with my stock housings.
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Originally Posted by zeevette
Tell that to me again. You might believe everything you read, but I've lined up before and after on a measurable wall, on level, at different distances, and the pattern was the same, just brighter. Way brighter. I've never been flashed by oncoming cars after 13 years. I'm sure you have the $1500-3000 lighting system that you need to justify, but I'm satisfied with my stock housings.
Just look at the picture the OP posted. There is considerably more light cast from the HID bulb.

There may be no convincing you based on your matter of factness, but the facts are the facts. It's not a matter of "believing everything you read". The facts are the facts.

Someone will hopefully chime in here as on other has to confirm this.

I have the factory lighting system FYI.
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by msupc
I have the factory lighting system FYI.

Then, you probably don't do much night driving, because the stock lighting is the worst I've seen. If there's a downside to just adding a HID kit, it's the need to flip them on bright to lower the lids.
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Old Aug 27, 2016 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by msupc
This is absolutely not true. The cut off is no where near as clear and the halogen housing casts light all over the place. The halogen housing is absolutely not designed to properly reflect the light from the HID bulbs. Folks who do this blind other drivers on the road with low beams or high beams.

A simple search on the interwebs for "HID bulb in halogen housing" will yield conversation after conversation on this very topic.

The only way you can even get close to pulling this off is to put HID bulbs in halogen projectors. When you do this you still need to lower the cutoff so you don't blind other drivers on hills and such, but it still not a recommended practice.
I am not an expert on lighting. But I am somewhat familiar with the basics. It is my understanding that the beam pattern is strictly a function of the reflector and the lens. A different bulb cannot change the pattern that is designed into the lens.

A brighter bulb might throw more light down the road. But it should be the same beam pattern regardless of the bulb.

if after changing to a brighter bulb one finds that they are now annoying oncoming drivers it could be one of a few things. Possibly the headlights are not aimed properly. With the lower output bulbs they simply were not bright enough to bother anyone. But now with a brighter bulb in a poorly aimed housing they are bothering people.

The other possibility is that the headlights are aimed properly. But the brighter bulbs are drawing the attention of oncoming drivers who then look directly at the headlights. If you look directly at even stock headlights it will bother you. Looking directly at higher output bulbs will do so even more.

And in closing..............if you want to know the absolute and indisputable answer to this issue................contact Daniel Stern and Daniel Stern, at danielsternlighting

he is the best around.
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Originally Posted by Ducati Guy
...It is my understanding that the beam pattern is strictly a function of the reflector and the lens. A different bulb cannot change the pattern that is designed into the lens...
A beam pattern is a function of the reflector, the lens and the bulb. The relative position of the light source in relation to the other 2 components of the system affects its output as well.

For instance, a parabolic reflector is a very common shape used in light housings because it concentrates the light emanating from the source into parallel rays, creating a directional beam. But for this to work, the light source has to be precisely placed at the focal point of the circular paraboloid. A halogen housing takes into consideration the physical position of the bulb's filament. HID bulbs are physically different than halogen bulbs, so when they are used in halogen housings the source of light is no longer in the required position, which affects the resulting beam.



Another thing to take into consideration is that the shape and orientation of the source of light between a given HID bulb and a halogen bulb might also be different, which will also affect the output of the system.

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Originally Posted by GCG
A beam pattern is a function of the reflector, the lens and the bulb. The relative position of the light source in relation to the other 2 components of the system affects its output as well.

For instance, a parabolic reflector is a very common shape used in light housings because it concentrates the light emanating from the source into parallel rays, creating a directional beam. But for this to work, the light source has to be precisely placed at the focal point of the circular paraboloid. A halogen housing takes into consideration the physical position of the bulb's filament. HID bulbs are physically different than halogen bulbs, so when they are used in halogen housings the source of light is no longer in the required position, which affects the resulting beam.



Another thing to take into consideration is that the shape and orientation of the source of light between a given HID bulb and a halogen bulb might also be different, which will also affect the output of the system.

Ah ha. that is very interesting info. Sure am glad i started my post by saying i am not an expert. I think that qualifies as covering my ***!!!!

thanks for the informative and interesting reply.

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If a car or truck comes into our shop with HID lights for State Inspection which had halogens originally, the inspectors fail it. This is in Texas. They told me the lenses must be designed for the HID bulbs. Halogen lamps not DOT approved for the HID bulbs.
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Just going to leave this here for those arguing that it is acceptable to put a HID bulb in a halogen housing:

http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04-...-housings.html

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2398976
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Originally Posted by GCG
A beam pattern is a function of the reflector, the lens and the bulb. The relative position of the light source in relation to the other 2 components of the system affects its output as well.

For instance, a parabolic reflector is a very common shape used in light housings because it concentrates the light emanating from the source into parallel rays, creating a directional beam. But for this to work, the light source has to be precisely placed at the focal point of the circular paraboloid. A halogen housing takes into consideration the physical position of the bulb's filament. HID bulbs are physically different than halogen bulbs, so when they are used in halogen housings the source of light is no longer in the required position, which affects the resulting beam.



Another thing to take into consideration is that the shape and orientation of the source of light between a given HID bulb and a halogen bulb might also be different, which will also affect the output of the system.
I pictured a mic being dropped after you hit reply....lol

I know who to go to for a lighting issue now
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