[Z06] American Exotics Comparison Test.
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American Exotics Comparison Test.
I ran across this article - I have not sen it mentioned here so I apologize in advance if this a repost.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...7/article.html
So Much Horsepower, It Hurts...
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http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...7/article.html
So Much Horsepower, It Hurts...
best regards -
mqqn
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Re: American Exotics Comparison Test. (TexasRedY2K)
But remember all those '03 Cobras are out there to kill the Z.......can't wait for a 2003 comparison test w/ viper/cobra/Z06
I too initially thought that a 390hp Cobra might be competitive, but check out the hp/weight ratio. The wustangs are a little chunky. :p:
Stock vs. stock engine, they are more a challenge for the LS1 cars, no challenge for the LS6.
I too initially thought that a 390hp Cobra might be competitive, but check out the hp/weight ratio. The wustangs are a little chunky. :p:
Stock vs. stock engine, they are more a challenge for the LS1 cars, no challenge for the LS6.
Not only is the hp to weight ratio in a different zip code on the Z06 but the shorter gearing in the first 3 gears makes the Z very hard to beat below 100 mph. I think the SVT Cobra takes about one full second more to hit 100 than a Z06. Only prolem is they can up their output 10-15 % with very little money. And from their current starting point, that is somewhere around 450 hp at the crank. :yesnod:
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Re: American Exotics Comparison Test. (mqqn)
Some of the judging was done on the following areas, from 1 to 100
Cupholders
Cobra 63
Vette 43
Viper 10 - No cupholder in the Viper
Storage Space
Vette 77
Cobra 73
Viper 43
Expanding/Loading Cargo
Corvette 73
Cobra 60
Viper 47
Entry/Exit
Cobra 80
Corvette 77
Viper 23
20% of the total score was based on the Price as follows - the least expensive car receives a score of 100, with the remaining cars receiving lesser scores based on how much each one costs
The performance test accounted for 30% of the total score :rolleyes: a minivan could have beat the Viper in this review
Just pointing out some facts as this review has been around for a while now, and the fact that 70% of the score had nothing to do with performance. HP? who needs HP when we've got cupholders :bs
Cupholders
Cobra 63
Vette 43
Viper 10 - No cupholder in the Viper
Storage Space
Vette 77
Cobra 73
Viper 43
Expanding/Loading Cargo
Corvette 73
Cobra 60
Viper 47
Entry/Exit
Cobra 80
Corvette 77
Viper 23
20% of the total score was based on the Price as follows - the least expensive car receives a score of 100, with the remaining cars receiving lesser scores based on how much each one costs
The performance test accounted for 30% of the total score :rolleyes: a minivan could have beat the Viper in this review
Just pointing out some facts as this review has been around for a while now, and the fact that 70% of the score had nothing to do with performance. HP? who needs HP when we've got cupholders :bs
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Re: American Exotics Comparison Test. (97GTS)
Hi 97GTS -
You points are many of the same ones used by me when the Z06 lost to the BMW M5 in a "performance shootout" by a well-known mag.
But, this was not a true performance shootout - quoth the article
These interior design gaffes would probably be excusable if it weren't for the Corvette, which shows that performance and functionality aren't mutually exclusive. The Vette also showed up the Viper on price. At $86,860, the Viper was almost $40,000 more. Yikes. There is no question that the Viper speaks loudly and carries a big stick, two elements essential to this type of car.
<SNIP>
Another contributing factor is the lack of ABS. The Viper's huge disc brakes effortlessly slough off high velocities when the driver has plenty of time to prepare (such as when the car is on the road course), but panic stops on the street can easily lead to locking up all four wheels. Our best 60-to-zero mph stopping effort using threshold braking was a dismal 155 feet, a number 14 feet worse than an ABS-equipped Chevrolet S-10 Crew Cab 4WD pickup we recently tested.
<SNIP>
But for me, it still comes in third place — albeit a close third — among these knuckle-dragging, American-made bruisers. Why? Because it really isn't a car in the true sense of the word. It's more like a rolling cartoon, a circus wagon or a traveling sideshow — take your pick. For me it's so over the top that it's a bit ridiculous. Then there's the price. For well over 80 grand, you're still getting a Dodge. And $2,500 for stripes? C'mon, get real.
I would be driving one if I had more confidence that it would be able to go the 12k miles that I have put on my Z06 since Dec 03, 2001 without any failure,m orverheating, hoses blowing coolant etc.
I don't quite agree that they are clown shows (or shoes ), I like the way they look, sound and perform, but I can't get over my past experiences with the mother company's other products.
I was in chicago burbs Saturday, and a GORGEOUS titanium w/ blue stripes GTS came around a corner and accelerated by me in the opposite direction.
Very cool!
best regards -
mqqn
[Modified by mqqn, 4:21 PM 9/30/2002]
You points are many of the same ones used by me when the Z06 lost to the BMW M5 in a "performance shootout" by a well-known mag.
But, this was not a true performance shootout - quoth the article
These interior design gaffes would probably be excusable if it weren't for the Corvette, which shows that performance and functionality aren't mutually exclusive. The Vette also showed up the Viper on price. At $86,860, the Viper was almost $40,000 more. Yikes. There is no question that the Viper speaks loudly and carries a big stick, two elements essential to this type of car.
<SNIP>
Another contributing factor is the lack of ABS. The Viper's huge disc brakes effortlessly slough off high velocities when the driver has plenty of time to prepare (such as when the car is on the road course), but panic stops on the street can easily lead to locking up all four wheels. Our best 60-to-zero mph stopping effort using threshold braking was a dismal 155 feet, a number 14 feet worse than an ABS-equipped Chevrolet S-10 Crew Cab 4WD pickup we recently tested.
<SNIP>
But for me, it still comes in third place — albeit a close third — among these knuckle-dragging, American-made bruisers. Why? Because it really isn't a car in the true sense of the word. It's more like a rolling cartoon, a circus wagon or a traveling sideshow — take your pick. For me it's so over the top that it's a bit ridiculous. Then there's the price. For well over 80 grand, you're still getting a Dodge. And $2,500 for stripes? C'mon, get real.
I would be driving one if I had more confidence that it would be able to go the 12k miles that I have put on my Z06 since Dec 03, 2001 without any failure,m orverheating, hoses blowing coolant etc.
I don't quite agree that they are clown shows (or shoes ), I like the way they look, sound and perform, but I can't get over my past experiences with the mother company's other products.
I was in chicago burbs Saturday, and a GORGEOUS titanium w/ blue stripes GTS came around a corner and accelerated by me in the opposite direction.
Very cool!
best regards -
mqqn
[Modified by mqqn, 4:21 PM 9/30/2002]
