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Old Oct 25, 2017 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane
I suppose if a cover was made with two stitches that ran down the side edges, you could leave the center holes uncut and allow the installer to trim as needed. Which would probably work for both single and double din console covers as well.
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Any idea about what your price point might be for dash leather?
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No, it's way to early to talk about pries now that we haven't even ahd the dash in our hands.

And I'm afraid it's going to be at least a few weeks until we are able to work on it due to our current work load

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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 11:55 AM
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how the heck do you add leather to the dash? I assume you have to pull the entire dash out?
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 12:27 PM
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Just thought I would add this to the thread. I got my panels from Apsis. Very happy with the quality and I think they look great. Mine suffered from the dreaded delamination issues so replaced with the leather.
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 12:52 PM
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I assume you have to pull the entire dash out?
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 02:03 PM
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Of course, the customer could purchase a second-hand dash and send it to Redline so that the customer's car wouldn't be out of commission for any extended period of time. VetteNuts and other vendors, I'm sure, have these on hand from time to time. When I had Double D do my dash, doors, etc., Dennis used "on hand at the time" interior pieces. He charged me a "core charge" when he sent the finished items to me, then credited me that core charge when I shipped my originals back to him. Easy peasey. No down time.
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Hi All,

Just see this thread and I would like to give you guys some input about the C5 door panel.

You all know C5 door panels have common bubbling problem (delamination).

The main reason that caused such bubbling issue is back to 90s when GM formulated their formula they added some special additives and such additives killed the adhesion and it caused the delamination.

All vendors/upholstery shops just remove the factory vinyl leather and then rewrap the new leather direct back. This way it WON'T solve the delamination problem. Sooner or later it will bubble again. It has happened to many C5 owners already.

What we do differently is we REMOVE ALL FACTORY BASE MATERIAL AND THEN REBUILD THE NEW FOUNDATION. This process takes an experienced worker about one whole week to rebuild new foundation. Then we wrap our Nappa Leather to it. This will guarantee that it won't bubble again. So till today we NEVER have any C5 customer coming back for the delamination issue.

The C5 Main Dash also has similar bubbling issue. We also do the same job to rebuild the foundation.

Just some helpful knowledge for members.
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Originally Posted by apsisusa
Hi All,

Just see this thread and I would like to give you guys some input about the C5 door panel.

You all know C5 door panels have common bubbling problem (delamination).

The main reason that caused such bubbling issue is back to 90s when GM formulated their formula they added some special additives and such additives killed the adhesion and it caused the delamination.

All vendors/upholstery shops just remove the factory vinyl leather and then rewrap the new leather direct back. This way it WON'T solve the delamination problem. Sooner or later it will bubble again. It has happened to many C5 owners already.

What we do differently is we REMOVE ALL FACTORY BASE MATERIAL AND THEN REBUILD THE NEW FOUNDATION. This process takes an experienced worker about one whole week to rebuild new foundation. Then we wrap our Nappa Leather to it. This will guarantee that it won't bubble again. So till today we NEVER have any C5 customer coming back for the delamination issue.

The C5 Main Dash also has similar bubbling issue. We also do the same job to rebuild the foundation.

Just some helpful knowledge for members.
You're saying you start with a new plastic door panel underneath?

I'm not sure what installers you're talking about but I have never known an upholstery guy to not remove everything down the the plastic, scuff and prep the plastic before using proper upholstery glue so I'm a little confused about what you mean.
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Originally Posted by RedlineGoods.com
No, it's way to early to talk about pries now that we haven't even ahd the dash in our hands.

And I'm afraid it's going to be at least a few weeks until we are able to work on it due to our current work load

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when you say work on it-- you mean wrapping dashes or just selling the dash for the customer to wrap? I'm interesting in getting a leather dash... doesn't seem to be a heck of a lot out there, and DD's website dosesn't seem to be up .
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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane
You're saying you start with a new plastic door panel underneath?

I'm not sure what installers you're talking about but I have never known an upholstery guy to not remove everything down the the plastic, scuff and prep the plastic before using proper upholstery glue so I'm a little confused about what you mean.
I mean we remove all the "plastic material" on door panel and then we reinject new material and then sand it/buff it until it looks exactly the same as stock and finally we wrap new leather to it.

All other upholstery shops just remove the factory leather only and then prep the stock "plastic material" with glue and then rewrap the new leather. They don't rebuild the new foundation.
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Originally Posted by apsisusa
I mean we remove all the "plastic material" on door panel and then we reinject new material and then sand it/buff it until it looks exactly the same as stock and finally we wrap new leather to it.

All other upholstery shops just remove the factory leather only and then prep the stock "plastic material" with glue and then rewrap the new leather. They don't rebuild the new foundation.
And in what way is removing all the old pieces, glue and padding, sanding with 220g and final scuff with a steel wire brush inferior prep? I have done plenty of SN Mustang door panels this way and none have ever delaminated using quality glue meant for upholstery. Do you also reinforce the door clips with steel/aluminium pieces so they no longer crack when removed?

Just curios because it seems like your post was a back handed "we're better than Redline Goods" which is fine but they offer DIY products that have a very quality finish.
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It is the OEM padding that sucks. Foam doesn't work in concaved areas because the foam itself separates.
I cut out the concaved area and use low to medium density polyurethane foam in those areas specifically.
Then cover it with leather.

It cost a few more dollars but you cant make a fresh cake with rotten ingredients.

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Originally Posted by Rob 02
It is the padding that sucks. Foam doesn't work in concaved areas because the foam itself separates.
I cut out the concaved area and use low to medium density polyurethane foam in those areas specifically.
Then cover it with leather.

It cost a few more dollars but you cant make a fresh cake with rotten ingredients.
Exactly, it was the implication that only Apsis could perform the install properly that rubbed me the wrong way. There are tons of upholstery foams up to the task.
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Originally Posted by Shaolin Crane
Exactly, it was the implication that only Apsis could perform the install properly that rubbed me the wrong way. There are tons of upholstery foams up to the task.
They are a honest business and don't have to reveal their tricks to the trade.

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Originally Posted by apsisusa
All other upholstery shops just remove the factory leather only and then prep the stock "plastic material" with glue and then rewrap the new leather. They don't rebuild the new foundation.
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They are a honest business and don't have to reveal their tricks to the trade.
This is what I took issue with, it's very misleading.
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The work that I have seen from them is excellent.

I am a DIY'er and that can be two very different things.

It is not easy by any means and requires skill, incredible patients and free time. You cant be applying leather and have company pop in on you. You cant have other plans because it takes as long as it takes. Getting in a hurry will make everything look like an afterthought.

If your kids are screaming and your phone is ringing then hire someone like them.
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This is what I took issue with, it's very misleading.
Never mind impossible to state. All other upholstery shops...? So everyone who does leather Corvette mods in every shop worldwide does it "wrong? OK

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The work that I have seen from them is excellent.

I am a DIY'er and that can be two very different things.

It is not easy by any means and requires skill, incredible patients and free time. You cant be applying leather and have company pop in on you. You cant have other plans because it takes as long as it takes. Getting in a hurry will make everything look like an afterthought.

If your kids are screaming and your phone is ringing then hire someone like them.
I agree, their stuff is snazzy and I've never seen anything less than great work and the price guarantees that. But to say that ALL other installers won't do it right is horseshit, plain and simple. All the stuff you say is true and that's why I'm alone with the doors locked when I do work like that.

Someone else could also order the Redline skins and take it to a qualified upholstery shop for a perfect result too. Dozens of cars use nearly identical style door panels, it's not rocket science to them.
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Never mind impossible to state. All other upholstery shops...? So everyone who does leather Corvette mods in every shop worldwide does it "wrong? OK
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