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Old Oct 25, 2018 | 11:49 PM
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Having driven both you will find that anyone who owns a Z06 will tell you it's far superior. If I thought they were that much better I would own one instead of my vert.
Looking at the two cars i'm happy i got the z06. I never realized how much more i liked the frc design. I know it's a personal thing but i like it 10x better.
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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 12:09 AM
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Out of the box, the Z06 is a more capable track setup. Once you get to modding though, the differences quickly disappear. The base Corvette can be set up to use the same shocks, tires, intake, cams, headers, etc. as the Z06. You can also mod the base Corvette to have the flush rear brake scoops, which IMO look far better than the Z06 rear brake scoop. A Vararam or Callaway Honker are much better than the Z06 intake setup. The engine blocks in 2001+ base C5s are the same as the Z06 blocks. The only differences that cannot be easily reconciled are the weight (to the tune of 100-150 lbs) and rigidity.
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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsumi
Out of the box, the Z06 is a more capable track setup. Once you get to modding though, the differences quickly disappear. The base Corvette can be set up to use the same shocks, tires, intake, cams, headers, etc. as the Z06. You can also mod the base Corvette to have the flush rear brake scoops, which IMO look far better than the Z06 rear brake scoop. A Vararam or Callaway Honker are much better than the Z06 intake setup. The engine blocks in 2001+ base C5s are the same as the Z06 blocks. The only differences that cannot be easily reconciled are the weight (to the tune of 100-150 lbs) and rigidity.
True for sure, but I'd say one of the hardest things to overcome is the tranny gearing 1 thru 3.
10.16 overall ratio in first gear for the Z compared to 9.10 on the base models. That's a truckload of more pull from a stop.
In a straight line I'm guessing you'd need 30-40 more HP to overcome the tranny gearing and weight.
Handling; sure sway bars etc., bigger tires...
Edit; that first gear would need to be mated with 3.82 gears on a base model to match the 3.42 with the Z first gear...

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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by grantv
True for sure, but I'd say one of the hardest things to overcome is the tranny gearing 1 thru 3.
10.16 overall ratio in first gear for the Z compared to 9.10 on the base models. That's a truckload of more pull from a stop.
In a straight line I'm guessing you'd need 30-40 more HP to overcome the tranny gearing and weight.
Handling; sure sway bars etc., bigger tires...
Edit; that first gear would need to be mated with 3.82 gears on a base model to match the 3.42 with the Z first gear...

exactly, if we’re talking about modding cars then it won’t really matter as I’ve even seen school buses track prepped but at the end of the day you’ll either have a C5 or a Z06.
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by grantv
True for sure, but I'd say one of the hardest things to overcome is the tranny gearing 1 thru 3.
10.16 overall ratio in first gear for the Z compared to 9.10 on the base models. That's a truckload of more pull from a stop.
In a straight line I'm guessing you'd need 30-40 more HP to overcome the tranny gearing and weight.
Handling; sure sway bars etc., bigger tires...
Edit; that first gear would need to be mated with 3.82 gears on a base model to match the 3.42 with the Z first gear...
Transmission can be replaced to a MN12, or better yet one can even swap in a TR6070 (too damn expensive right now though). As I said, the only things that are insurmountable between a Z06 and a base C5 is the weight and rigidity.
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Can be yes. Will be by 99.5% of Corvette owners, doubt it. Agree though, easy to make a base or vert as fast or faster than the Z.
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by grantv
Can be yes. Will be by 99.5% of Corvette owners, doubt it. Agree though, easy to make a base or vert as fast or faster than the Z.
My suspicion is youre only thinking staight line performance...the Corvette is a sports car, not a muscle/drag car, keep that in mind.

It takea a LOT more than the price difference between a base C5 and a C5 Z06 to overcome the performance differential..might as well get the Z from the onset.

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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
My suspicion is youre only thinking staight line performance...the Corvette is a sports car, not a muscle/drag car, keep that in mind.

It takea a LOT more than the price difference between a base C5 and a C5 Z06 to overcome the performance differential..might as well get the Z from the onset.
Modding a base C5 to Z06 levels doesn't make sense, sure, unless you really wanted a convertible or targa. However, once you start going well beyond a stock Z06, the costs of upgrading either becomes very similar as you're going to be changing out the same parts to reach the same goals. Well, except for maybe the transmission. A MN12 is not going to cost more than $5k though unless it was a new built one.

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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
My suspicion is youre only thinking staight line performance...
No... it's just that the average owner concerned with performance (I think) would slap on a set of tires and wheels on a base anyway, and be happy with the smaller difference in handling.
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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I've owned both a '99 6spd coupe (headers w/ high flow cats and corsa final, CAI, and performance tune), and now own a pretty stock (Corsa over axle) 2004 Z06.

Without question there is a very noticeable difference in "seat-of-the pants" acceleration and overall performance, with the Z06 winning hands down. However, I am of the belief that the vast majority of Corvette owners will NEVER really realize this difference in performance. My '99 was more than fast for me and I was very happy with it. The only reason I sold it was needing money for a new house and putting my daughter through college and grad school. Once I was able to buy another Corvette, this '04 Z06 was just available and at a very good price. This Z06 is awesome, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a coupe or convertible. They are all incredible driving experiences to me.
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jpm995
Looking at the two cars i'm happy i got the z06. I never realized how much more i liked the frc design. I know it's a personal thing but i like it 10x better.
I agree 100%, It looks faster just sitting there.
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