[Z06] Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences?
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
the speed my car generates can easily keep up with a stock Z06.
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (rbartick)
You are forgetting torque and my gearing. Also, look at my trap speed. 336rwhp on a dyno or not, my car is making some serious power on the street. I don't know many, if any, bone stock Z06's that have trapped in excess of 117mph. Start modding a Z06, with a good driver, I most likely am toast. :cheers:
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
QUIKAG, Is posible your opinion that "some Z06 owners are elitest" is your feelings of inferiority? rearing there ugly head?(ret) Your 26 have a grate C5 Coupe, get over it. So many of us have/had coups and verts were not trying to put them/or you down. I can except you have your opinions, but IMO you likely would change your mind if you lived with the Z06 for a week. I know I did. Peace brother enjoy your coupe...I did mine. Ric
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
You are forgetting torque and my gearing.
Click the chart for a bigger view
I don't know many, if any, bone stock Z06's that have trapped in excess of 117mph.
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QUIKAG, Is posible your opinion that "some Z06 owners are elitest" is your feelings of inferiority? rearing there ugly head?(ret) Your 26 have a grate C5 Coupe, get over it. So many of us have/had coups and verts were not trying to put them/or you down. I can except you have your opinions, but IMO you likely would change your mind if you lived with the Z06 for a week. I know I did. Peace brother enjoy your coupe...I did mine. Ric
The point I've been trying to make is that the Z06 isn't any better of a car than a Coupe/Vert, it just has it's priorities shifted. Same vice-versa. They're both amazing cars with different strengths and weaknesses. :cheers:
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (rbartick)
Nice dyno chart!! I need to scan mine in, but my torque curve is VERY FAT across the rev band. My A/F ratio in the upper rpms is around 11.5:1, so if I leaned it out a bit, the car would make 350rwhp I've been told. I like it a bit rich up top due to all the high rpm road racing I do, just a little safety net. Plus, I don't want to mess with the factory programming, it's been good to me so far.
The 4.10 gears are steeper than the MN12 box in every gear. I know there are a few stock Z06's that have trapped 117mph, but they are very few and far between. Of course, I agree that there aren't many intake/header/exhaust/gears Coupe that run over 117mph.
The gears actually have little to nothing to do with trap speed, so my 3 breathing mods and probably my 30,000 miles of relatively hard use have loosened my LS1 up to the point that it runs hard and strong.
I wish you lived close, we could compare our car's capabilities. :cheers:
The 4.10 gears are steeper than the MN12 box in every gear. I know there are a few stock Z06's that have trapped 117mph, but they are very few and far between. Of course, I agree that there aren't many intake/header/exhaust/gears Coupe that run over 117mph.
The gears actually have little to nothing to do with trap speed, so my 3 breathing mods and probably my 30,000 miles of relatively hard use have loosened my LS1 up to the point that it runs hard and strong.
I wish you lived close, we could compare our car's capabilities. :cheers:
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
My A/F ratio in the upper rpms is around 11.5:1, so if I leaned it out a bit, the car would make 350rwhp I've been told.
The proper curve on these cars usually starts lean, gets rich at the TQ peak, and then heads lean again. I used LS1Edit to shift my 6000-6500 RPM area from 12.2:1 to 13.2:1 (using a wideband before the cats). I got ten more HP up top with a great looking upper RPM area without screwing anything else up and without any knock. HP keeps climbing or stays flat right up until it smacks the limiter. I do not have that chart handy.
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (rbartick)
I probably need to do LS1 edit, but am not really concerned about extracting that last little bit of power. Anyway, it starts out lean and gets fairly rich from 4000rpm to redline, it doesn't lean back out as you stated. You're right in that I don't know how accurate their a/f tailpipe sniffer is, but the car runs good and have never knocked, so I'm happy with it's performance.
I'll try to get the dyno sheet scanned and posted...
I'll try to get the dyno sheet scanned and posted...
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
QUIKAG, Is posible your opinion that "some Z06 owners are elitest" is your feelings of inferiority? rearing there ugly head?(ret) Your 26 have a grate C5 Coupe, get over it. So many of us have/had coups and verts were not trying to put them/or you down. I can except you have your opinions, but IMO you likely would change your mind if you lived with the Z06 for a week. I know I did. Peace brother enjoy your coupe...I did mine. Ric
I can assure you there are no feelings of inferiority or superiority here. You are one of the few awesome drag racers on this forum, you have some great times and your car runs very well. I'm just trying to stand up for the Coupe/Vert in this thread just as there are people standing up for the Z06. It's great we can enjoy these debates and still all drive some awesome cars.
The point I've been trying to make is that the Z06 isn't any better of a car than a Coupe/Vert, it just has it's priorities shifted. Same vice-versa. They're both amazing cars with different strengths and weaknesses. :cheers:
I can assure you there are no feelings of inferiority or superiority here. You are one of the few awesome drag racers on this forum, you have some great times and your car runs very well. I'm just trying to stand up for the Coupe/Vert in this thread just as there are people standing up for the Z06. It's great we can enjoy these debates and still all drive some awesome cars.
The point I've been trying to make is that the Z06 isn't any better of a car than a Coupe/Vert, it just has it's priorities shifted. Same vice-versa. They're both amazing cars with different strengths and weaknesses. :cheers:
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
You're right in that I don't know how accurate their a/f tailpipe sniffer is, but the car runs good and have never knocked, so I'm happy with it's performance.
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (rbartick)
I've autotapped and there is no KR on the open road, the timing is in the low 20's on average, I would like to advance it a bit. With my consistent trap speed and how well my car pulls on the roadcourse and highway, if it's backing off timing due to knock, then it would be pretty scary if I actually tuned the car. :D But, I think it's running good. :cheers:
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (QUIKAG)
With my consistent trap speed and how well my car pulls on the roadcourse and highway, if it's backing off timing due to knock, then it would be pretty scary if I actually tuned the car.
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (rbartick)
Oh come on... These cars are not that fast. My brother's Viper pulls 120 MPH and my bike will pull over 135 and they are not scary ;)
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Re: Coupe Vs Z06, the REAL differences? (BLU-BY-U)
Although it's cool to see what a question can turn into, I didn't intend for this to be a, "who has the bigger sausage" contest, haahaa. I actually started this thread knowing little about vettes in general. I initially wanted a coupe, but after coming off years of sportbikes, <and racing at Loudon, NH> I figured I needed something a little more extreme...It's funny, but if the market on these cars were non-negotiable, a loaded coupe would be around $48k plus tax, and a Z06 would be $52k plus tax. For me, the Z06 is the hands down winner, but I'll always enjoy the lines and removable top qualities of the coupe. I modded a ton of sportbikes in my day, I like just buying the thing right out of the box these days with no mods, <right away>, am I maturing? ugggggggggh! :p:
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