Tusc

I looked it up and those sound awesome!

However, my good friend Mike is a service manager and says to stay the heck away from the Dodge V6s such as in the current Durango and to stick to the V8s which need new valvetrains at 100k miles if I bought one.

cdee63

^^ This. I spent quite a few years working for Jeep Truck Engineering starting on the Gen 1 Viper. Mopar can make engines with GREAT power, however the bean counters there wield even more power. I have seen too many excellent engineering examples gutted by either inferior materials or the rush to get into production cutting short durability testing.

Z51-R

I tried the Mustang side and went back to Corvettes.


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cdee63

Referring to my post about the Mustang at Sick Week. He ended up winning the overall with a 6.32 average over 5 tracks while driving 1000 miles to those tracks. Also did it on a 28" radial with a 302cu engine. I know it is a race car however he did trailer cars with MUCH larger displacement engines. The Coyote is legit and I see it soon enough being as popular as an LS for swapping, very impressive engine! Don't get me wrong, I think the LS engines are just as impressive with the power they put out being so simple and a 2V, and the sheer reliability they possess.
And now let's go total blasphemy, wonder if a Coyote would fit under the hood of a C5? Let the flaming begin, lol.

OHRedSled

cdee, I had that exact same thought the other night talking with my daughter. We were laughing- lots of guys drop LS’s into Fords, so why not drop a Coyote in the Vette. Great minds think alike!

Tusc

It absolutely has the chops for swap like you said. Popular for power. We slapped one in my buddy's no-expense-spared Factory Five Cobra build and it did rip. So know that this is not coming from a blind loyalist when I say the LS will remain the king of swaps and possibly share that podium with the varieties of Honda K or the Toyota JZ engines due purely to dimensions. Being sohc yields a tight package you can shoehorn into near limitless chassis designs and adapt it work where the much larger top end on the 'Yote forces limitation. For now price remains a barrier also, generally costing more to purchase up front than LS engines but hopefully reducing as greater numbers hit the market.

I'd really like to (own first, but then) K swap a Lotus Elise for example. As for a 'Yote swap.... My first thought honestly goes to a Crown Vic for reasons.

cdee63

That I agree with 100%. One of the competitors at last weeks Sick Week or it may have been Drag Week had a 1500 Chevy pickup with a K swap in it, I believe the truck was a early 2000's vintage. Clean swap and it was running mid 10's.
I believe McFarland popped a Coyote in a CV as well. That I could dig, I have had a few P71's in my day that I wanted to put a stroked 385 series in. A 9 liter NA in an unassuming P71 really sounds fun. Put a C6 behind it and a Gear Vendors OD and call it good. Though a boosted Coyote with a 10 speed sounds pretty fun to drive as well.

Tron Z

Yes, beware!
Some of these Mustangs are running turbocharged LS engines!

Very sneaky!!!

grinder11

I get your point there, for sure. But the one I'm talking about is a much newer model, one with the dual mode exhaust. When he was behind me, all I could hear was wind and my Flowmasters. But when he pulled out to pass, he opened the exhaust, and it was LOUD!!

cdee63

Those new ones are like belly buttons around my parts (Tampa, Sarasota, North Port) and yes when they get on it they are loud!

Mc556

The coyote is awesome but you’re never going to see near the amount of swaps. Not even a small fraction.
The cost is at a min 4x as much. The numbers of those motors are just to low in comparison.
Can it fit in a C5? With enough money everything can fit. The 4v heads would most likely not fit between the shock towers and the headers would probably be a mess. I’m sure a determined individual could make it happen.

Mc556

Took me a min to find a side by side.

The width would kill the 5.0 for many possible swaps.
I have two friends who a die hard ford guy’s. I have this argument all the time. Sure the 5.0 does amazing things with 302ci, but it does it with a motor the size of a big block. It also takes 4 cams and double the amount of valves. Not cheap if you plan to modify for power. Rods and pistons cost more as well.

I love my LS6 . However I do have an Aluminum 5.3 block I plan to get some Darton sleeves installed in. It will make for a very nice NA 427. Cost “for me” to build myself be in the $16,0000 range dressed wet sump.
If I ever get around to that project it would be a legit 600rwp 93 octane street motor. You can make 600 whp with the coyote as well. The problem would be the 4500-7500 power band. Not a street car at all.
Cost not sure but most likely around the same. The 5.0 factory heads are pretty bad ***. Still been porting

cdee63

I agree, packaging nightmares will keep most potential swaps from happening. I was half kidding about swapping a 5.0 into a C5. Don't get me wrong, when I pull the LS1 out of my 2K coupe it will be replaced with what you are talking about, a 427 NA. The LS1 will go into my Jeep, it has an OHC V8 now that is much wider than the LS.

acroy

absolutely true. The good ol Chebby is super popular for many good reasons.

Tron Z

^ This
The LS is simple, compact, reliable, relatively cheap and well supported by the aftermarket. Meanwhile, as impressive as it is, few of these adjectives apply to the Coyote.

SkyTigress

I just wanna say that you should more be worried about Ferd Exploders/Expeditions that are secretly tuned. I nearly lost to an Exploder the other day and it wasn't even an ST.
(My c5 is stock except an exhaust) I could care less if a new Mustang blew past me or whatever new sports car but an SUV is kinda depressing
Apparently some of these Exploders are running 10 sec 1/4 mi with bolt ons/tunes.

ariZona06

These are the guys to steer clear of. High HP diesels that also make massive amounts of torque. God Bless America!

cdee63

Those and the SHO's. I have a friend up in the Detroit area running a 2018 SHO massaged by Livernois Motorsports & Engineering, he is pulling mid 11's with completely stock internals. Also being AWD it launches like a slingshot.

StayinStock

Facts lol, my ST went 12.40 with just a 93 octane tune from ZFG... I could put it on e50 and do an intercooler and some bolt ons and have a bottom 11 second daily lol... as it sets now it would 100% would destroy my Vette in the 1/8th and id be pressed to come around it on the big end before the 1/4... probably the most fun daily I've ever had despite a few warranty related issues. On the original topic though Coyotes are where its at. I'm a die hard LS guy but you can't deny something you can slap a blower on stock and run 9s... Coyotes changed the game for sure. I eventually will own one, im far from a brand loyalist and have always had a soft spot for Mustangs since my first car (a 67 coupe).

acroy

how does the rest of the drivetrain hold up? that's gotta be a lot of horses & torques....