BSM Removal Nightmare
07-19-2004, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Diver
Thanks for all the replies... 
I feel the love....I gave it a shot....
Lex...that is one wicked interior!
No tellin what would happen if I tried that! 
I feel the love....I gave it a shot....Lex...that is one wicked interior!
No tellin what would happen if I tried that! 
07-19-2004, 12:22 PM
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Markcz - Thanks for the tip...I'll go try that at lunch!
Thanks Chad....maybe someday I'll share that story with the forum...I'll admit it..I'm not a mechanic...I'm a geek.... :bb
Thanks Chad....maybe someday I'll share that story with the forum...I'll admit it..I'm not a mechanic...I'm a geek.... :bb
07-19-2004, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Diver
While my experience is not the norm, I felt I should post it and possibly save someone else the time and trouble:
I decided to remove the BSM's...easy mod, no real cost. I used fishing line, a little oil, and they came off no problem. Then some time (2 hours) with my fingers and some 3M Adhesive Remover, and all the goo was gone. Well, everything looked beautiful, like nothing was ever there, except for the drivers side door. Nice little imprint, very noticeable, and oh so slight color variation. Okay...I rub, buff, polish...nope. Still there. Looks like my drivers door had some paint work done to it at some point, and they didn't remove the BSM before painting. Great. I took it to a few body shops, and even to a bud that's in the car business who has a "guy" who does this stuff...all way more expensive than I wanted for this mod. Time to put the BSM's back on and I'll have to live with it. So, I go to the local paint/body supply and buy a $25 roll of 3M adhesive, asking if I need anything else. No. Okay, go home and since I've never done this before, I read the directions...amazing? Seems I need 3M Adhesive Promoter for the BSM's...something about surface tension adhesion on modern plastics. (I read this on the 3M website) So off I go to find this...$30 for a box of individual packets...I now have way more than I'll ever need...It took me 3 hours of patient cleaning to get the back side of the BSM's clean of the old adhesive...then I applied the promoter, and then the new adhesive...being very careful to make it straight on the top and bottom, just below the lip, and trimmed nicely at the tips. Really good job I must say for a newb like m'self. I cleaned the old area on the car with isopropyl alcohol, per the directions, (still amazing) and carefully put the BSM's back on. You can't tell they were ever removed and I feel pretty confident that I did as good (or better maybe) a job as a body shop would have done. All in all, I spent $60 and about 8 hours of pretty tedious work, with sore fingers and a couple of blisters.
Lesson: If there is any way possible for you to know if your car has had paint work where the BSM's are, you may wish to reconsider this mod. I chose not to have it blended out because of the costs involved, as I have other things I want to do first, and the BSM's don't bother me "that" much.
BTW - as a reward for my efforts, I went for a little cruise. Since the weather is nice, I rolled down the windows...the drivers side anyway...the passenger side decided quite suddenly to not work. It just "clicks" and dims the lights a little....<sigh>, just when you think you're done...
I decided to remove the BSM's...easy mod, no real cost. I used fishing line, a little oil, and they came off no problem. Then some time (2 hours) with my fingers and some 3M Adhesive Remover, and all the goo was gone. Well, everything looked beautiful, like nothing was ever there, except for the drivers side door. Nice little imprint, very noticeable, and oh so slight color variation. Okay...I rub, buff, polish...nope. Still there. Looks like my drivers door had some paint work done to it at some point, and they didn't remove the BSM before painting. Great. I took it to a few body shops, and even to a bud that's in the car business who has a "guy" who does this stuff...all way more expensive than I wanted for this mod. Time to put the BSM's back on and I'll have to live with it. So, I go to the local paint/body supply and buy a $25 roll of 3M adhesive, asking if I need anything else. No. Okay, go home and since I've never done this before, I read the directions...amazing? Seems I need 3M Adhesive Promoter for the BSM's...something about surface tension adhesion on modern plastics. (I read this on the 3M website) So off I go to find this...$30 for a box of individual packets...I now have way more than I'll ever need...It took me 3 hours of patient cleaning to get the back side of the BSM's clean of the old adhesive...then I applied the promoter, and then the new adhesive...being very careful to make it straight on the top and bottom, just below the lip, and trimmed nicely at the tips. Really good job I must say for a newb like m'self. I cleaned the old area on the car with isopropyl alcohol, per the directions, (still amazing) and carefully put the BSM's back on. You can't tell they were ever removed and I feel pretty confident that I did as good (or better maybe) a job as a body shop would have done. All in all, I spent $60 and about 8 hours of pretty tedious work, with sore fingers and a couple of blisters.
Lesson: If there is any way possible for you to know if your car has had paint work where the BSM's are, you may wish to reconsider this mod. I chose not to have it blended out because of the costs involved, as I have other things I want to do first, and the BSM's don't bother me "that" much.
BTW - as a reward for my efforts, I went for a little cruise. Since the weather is nice, I rolled down the windows...the drivers side anyway...the passenger side decided quite suddenly to not work. It just "clicks" and dims the lights a little....<sigh>, just when you think you're done...
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I know how you feel. Sometimes good intentions just don't work out. Glad you got it back together. Sorry you had to spend $60 and a lot of time to only have it look just like it did.
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Originally Posted by DAVS Y2K
I bet your one of only a "very few" who can now say they have removed their BSM's to clean under them. 
I'm glad I like them. At least you didn't do any damage.
07-19-2004, 04:11 PM
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I can sympathize, empathize, compartmentalize, and simonize with your plights. It basically boils down to "some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you".
I think we've all sat at a project with our eyes all a glow with pride and high expectations of the rewards of our work, only to have it backfire and leave us choking on our own egos for even having thought that something could go right.
Read about the 8 hour battery change - sounds spooky. Thought my all day and well into the night (with a helper mind you) first oil change was humbling....
I think we've all sat at a project with our eyes all a glow with pride and high expectations of the rewards of our work, only to have it backfire and leave us choking on our own egos for even having thought that something could go right.
Read about the 8 hour battery change - sounds spooky. Thought my all day and well into the night (with a helper mind you) first oil change was humbling....
07-19-2004, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Diver
Thanks for all the replies... I feel the love....I gave it a shot....
Lex...that is one wicked interior! No tellin what would happen if I tried that!
I feel the love....I gave it a shot....Lex...that is one wicked interior!
No tellin what would happen if I tried that!
07-20-2004, 06:07 PM
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Scott, I hope they don't come flying off this Sunday on our back roads cruise!!!
Roy
Roy
07-20-2004, 06:20 PM
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Bummer. I know the feeling. Seems that what is always an easy job for someone else, turns into a major headache for me. Got me where I dont do much on my own anymore! 
07-20-2004, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Diver
While my experience is not the norm, I felt I should post it and possibly save someone else the time and trouble:
I decided to remove the BSM's...easy mod, no real cost. I used fishing line, a little oil, and they came off no problem. Then some time (2 hours) with my fingers and some 3M Adhesive Remover, and all the goo was gone. Well, everything looked beautiful, like nothing was ever there, except for the drivers side door. Nice little imprint, very noticeable, and oh so slight color variation. Okay...I rub, buff, polish...nope. Still there. Looks like my drivers door had some paint work done to it at some point, and they didn't remove the BSM before painting. Great. I took it to a few body shops, and even to a bud that's in the car business who has a "guy" who does this stuff...all way more expensive than I wanted for this mod. Time to put the BSM's back on and I'll have to live with it. So, I go to the local paint/body supply and buy a $25 roll of 3M adhesive, asking if I need anything else. No. Okay, go home and since I've never done this before, I read the directions...amazing? Seems I need 3M Adhesive Promoter for the BSM's...something about surface tension adhesion on modern plastics. (I read this on the 3M website) So off I go to find this...$30 for a box of individual packets...I now have way more than I'll ever need...It took me 3 hours of patient cleaning to get the back side of the BSM's clean of the old adhesive...then I applied the promoter, and then the new adhesive...being very careful to make it straight on the top and bottom, just below the lip, and trimmed nicely at the tips. Really good job I must say for a newb like m'self. I cleaned the old area on the car with isopropyl alcohol, per the directions, (still amazing) and carefully put the BSM's back on. You can't tell they were ever removed and I feel pretty confident that I did as good (or better maybe) a job as a body shop would have done. All in all, I spent $60 and about 8 hours of pretty tedious work, with sore fingers and a couple of blisters.
Lesson: If there is any way possible for you to know if your car has had paint work where the BSM's are, you may wish to reconsider this mod. I chose not to have it blended out because of the costs involved, as I have other things I want to do first, and the BSM's don't bother me "that" much.
BTW - as a reward for my efforts, I went for a little cruise. Since the weather is nice, I rolled down the windows...the drivers side anyway...the passenger side decided quite suddenly to not work. It just "clicks" and dims the lights a little....<sigh>, just when you think you're done...
I decided to remove the BSM's...easy mod, no real cost. I used fishing line, a little oil, and they came off no problem. Then some time (2 hours) with my fingers and some 3M Adhesive Remover, and all the goo was gone. Well, everything looked beautiful, like nothing was ever there, except for the drivers side door. Nice little imprint, very noticeable, and oh so slight color variation. Okay...I rub, buff, polish...nope. Still there. Looks like my drivers door had some paint work done to it at some point, and they didn't remove the BSM before painting. Great. I took it to a few body shops, and even to a bud that's in the car business who has a "guy" who does this stuff...all way more expensive than I wanted for this mod. Time to put the BSM's back on and I'll have to live with it. So, I go to the local paint/body supply and buy a $25 roll of 3M adhesive, asking if I need anything else. No. Okay, go home and since I've never done this before, I read the directions...amazing? Seems I need 3M Adhesive Promoter for the BSM's...something about surface tension adhesion on modern plastics. (I read this on the 3M website) So off I go to find this...$30 for a box of individual packets...I now have way more than I'll ever need...It took me 3 hours of patient cleaning to get the back side of the BSM's clean of the old adhesive...then I applied the promoter, and then the new adhesive...being very careful to make it straight on the top and bottom, just below the lip, and trimmed nicely at the tips. Really good job I must say for a newb like m'self. I cleaned the old area on the car with isopropyl alcohol, per the directions, (still amazing) and carefully put the BSM's back on. You can't tell they were ever removed and I feel pretty confident that I did as good (or better maybe) a job as a body shop would have done. All in all, I spent $60 and about 8 hours of pretty tedious work, with sore fingers and a couple of blisters.
Lesson: If there is any way possible for you to know if your car has had paint work where the BSM's are, you may wish to reconsider this mod. I chose not to have it blended out because of the costs involved, as I have other things I want to do first, and the BSM's don't bother me "that" much.
BTW - as a reward for my efforts, I went for a little cruise. Since the weather is nice, I rolled down the windows...the drivers side anyway...the passenger side decided quite suddenly to not work. It just "clicks" and dims the lights a little....<sigh>, just when you think you're done...
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Boy, I thought my luck stunk! But, that which we survive makes us stronger.... grrrrrrr Sorry to hear about your misfortune, it will help me cope the next time the little thing turns into a nightmare.
Sorry to hear about your misfortune, it will help me cope the next time the little thing turns into a nightmare.
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Roy...those things better not ever come off!!!
So, I did try the window trick that was suggested...but it didn't work.... although, it decided to start working again not long after, so maybe it had a delayed effect?
So, I did try the window trick that was suggested...but it didn't work.... although, it decided to start working again not long after, so maybe it had a delayed effect?
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07-22-2004, 12:42 AM
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Sorry to hear about all the trouble with the BSM's. Most people I know people wouldn't have had the patience to stick with it like you did. At least it finally went back together OK.
I've had the same window problem with my '99 X 3. The dealer "repaired" it under warrenty the first time. The last time I hit the auto down button, slammed the door, and the window went down on it's own. Now I try to remember to cycle the passenger window once or twice whenever I take the car out.
I've had the same window problem with my '99 X 3. The dealer "repaired" it under warrenty the first time. The last time I hit the auto down button, slammed the door, and the window went down on it's own. Now I try to remember to cycle the passenger window once or twice whenever I take the car out.
08-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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I know this is an old post but i have to put my 2 cents in.......
Same DAMN thing happened to me as the OP but I didn't put the BSM's back on. Going to wetsand the door and buff it out. If if it still doesn't look good off to the body shop it goes for a door repaint and blend !
Same DAMN thing happened to me as the OP but I didn't put the BSM's back on. Going to wetsand the door and buff it out. If if it still doesn't look good off to the body shop it goes for a door repaint and blend !
