4L60E - Myth Busted
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4L60E - Myth Busted
I spoke to a VERY reputable trans expert. He has been rebuilding tranmission for 20+ years.
It is NOT bad to manually hold the 4L60E in a lower gear such as 2nd or 1st or to downshift manually.
The A4 does a really BAD job of deciding what gear to be in. When I want to pass, it does not pick a low enough gear to bring the RPM band to where I need it. It lugs the motor.
Hopefully the 4L65E fixed this problem. Chevy can learn some things from German automatics, such as the paddle shift found in BMW's. They are a blast to drive.
It is NOT bad to manually hold the 4L60E in a lower gear such as 2nd or 1st or to downshift manually.
The A4 does a really BAD job of deciding what gear to be in. When I want to pass, it does not pick a low enough gear to bring the RPM band to where I need it. It lugs the motor.
Hopefully the 4L65E fixed this problem. Chevy can learn some things from German automatics, such as the paddle shift found in BMW's. They are a blast to drive.
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that is why tuning works great on an a4 changing the shift points.
I agree there are some cases where you need to force it to gear when you want it there but i would not think acting like you have a manual shift in an a4 from stop light to stop light would be a good thing.
I agree there are some cases where you need to force it to gear when you want it there but i would not think acting like you have a manual shift in an a4 from stop light to stop light would be a good thing.
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Originally Posted by pettrix
I spoke to a VERY reputable trans expert. He has been rebuilding tranmission for 20+ years.
It is NOT bad to manually hold the 4L60E in a lower gear such as 2nd or 1st or to downshift manually.
The A4 does a really BAD job of deciding what gear to be in. When I want to pass, it does not pick a low enough gear to bring the RPM band to where I need it. It lugs the motor.
Hopefully the 4L65E fixed this problem. Chevy can learn some things from German automatics, such as the paddle shift found in BMW's. They are a blast to drive.
It is NOT bad to manually hold the 4L60E in a lower gear such as 2nd or 1st or to downshift manually.
The A4 does a really BAD job of deciding what gear to be in. When I want to pass, it does not pick a low enough gear to bring the RPM band to where I need it. It lugs the motor.
Hopefully the 4L65E fixed this problem. Chevy can learn some things from German automatics, such as the paddle shift found in BMW's. They are a blast to drive.
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Hopefully Chevy can also learn something from the Germans and everyone else about adding more than four gears to its auto. Its a 50k sports car, not a Kia. Its about time they get with the competition and offer a six speed.
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Nice to know this. I agree that Chevy should get with the program and offer a better automatic that has the manual shift options like BMW, Mercedes, etc.
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Originally Posted by pettrix
The A4 does a really BAD job of deciding what gear to be in.
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Originally Posted by JeffC5
How do you know if you have the 4L60E or the 4L65E?
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Anyone else have more details?
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From: Edmond, OK...One of the first rules of online forums: If you don't like what is said but can't refute it, attack the poster.
One of the reasons I asked is because I just got my Factory Service Manual and under transmission, it's labeled 4L60E/4L65E. So I thought maybe they changed it sometime during the 04 production.
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Originally Posted by Miaugi
As far as Vettes are concerned, the 4L65E is only on the '05's as far as I know, so if you don't have a C6, you don't got one.
Anyone else have more details?
Anyone else have more details?
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Originally Posted by Vette346
Hopefully Chevy can also learn something from the Germans and everyone else about adding more than four gears to its auto. Its a 50k sports car, not a Kia. Its about time they get with the competition and offer a six speed.
I keep asking, but nobody ever can find proof (read: actual specs.)
If "everybody else" has 6-speed automatics that can handle 400 lbs.-ft. of torque, you should have no problem listing them all.
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I have done it since day one on all my autos since 1980..............38K on the 00', 80K on the P/U, .etc. w/o issues.
Two things kill these, to much heat........and letting the trans decide on the gear for downshifting to pass or play, bad on the bands/clutch packs.
Keep shifting and have a nice day
Two things kill these, to much heat........and letting the trans decide on the gear for downshifting to pass or play, bad on the bands/clutch packs.
Keep shifting and have a nice day
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Originally Posted by knowledgefreak
that is why tuning works great on an a4 changing the shift points.
I agree there are some cases where you need to force it to gear when you want it there but i would not think acting like you have a manual shift in an a4 from stop light to stop light would be a good thing.
I agree there are some cases where you need to force it to gear when you want it there but i would not think acting like you have a manual shift in an a4 from stop light to stop light would be a good thing.
If you set your shift points properly the trans will perform to your will. Install the Transgo shift kit and adjust parms with LS1-Edit and you will have a "real" tranny.
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Originally Posted by JeffC5
One of the reasons I asked is because I just got my Factory Service Manual and under transmission, it's labeled 4L60E/4L65E. So I thought maybe they changed it sometime during the 04 production.
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Originally Posted by Scissors
So, please, point out to us an automatic transmission with six gears and is the same dimensions or smaller than the 4L65E and is as light or lighter, but can take the same input torque and costs 50% more at most.
I keep asking, but nobody ever can find proof (read: actual specs.)
If "everybody else" has 6-speed automatics that can handle 400 lbs.-ft. of torque, you should have no problem listing them all.
I keep asking, but nobody ever can find proof (read: actual specs.)
If "everybody else" has 6-speed automatics that can handle 400 lbs.-ft. of torque, you should have no problem listing them all.
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Originally Posted by Vette346
Well seeing as how nearly every car over $30k has at least five forward gears, and many under $30 as well, Accord, Camry, SUZUKI XL-7 for Gods sake, etc...Now for being able to handle 400 ft-lbs of torque....The entire Audi line has at least 5 speeds, of those RS6(415 lb-ft), A8 W-12(425), Volkswagen has a slightly detuned 6.0 W-12 in the Phaeton, and the new Touraeg V-10 TDI(550). Lexus entire model line has at least 5 speeds and they're launching a new in house performance line to compete with AMG, M Division, Audi RS etc..., Mercedes entire model line has at least 5 speeds and a new 7 speed is set to debut this year, of those C55(376 ft-lbs), E55(516), S55(516), SL600(590), SL65(738), CLK55(376), CLS55(516), BMWs entire line has at least 5 speeds, 6 in all but the 3 series, the 6 speed ZF tranny in the 760(438), Jaguars entire line has at least 5 speeds, 6 in all but the X Type. The S Type R, XKR, XJR(399ft-lbs 6 speeds), Cadillac finally has a 5 speed in the new STS, Nissan has a 5 speed in the Titan/Armada/Infiniti QX56(379ft-lbs, 390 in the Q). Also the Chrysler 300C (390) and the upcoming 300C SRT8(425) along with others costing much more, Bentley, Aston Martin etc....
Can I get any of those tranny's to fit under my coupe
