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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 10:19 AM
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I just purchased a 2003 Z06 and I seem to hit the rev limiter just before red line, is this normal? I did a search and saw that the limiter happens at 6450 rpm?? is that right? I have had two other c5's and typically the limiter is a factor after red line. I would appreciate any input.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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In the first two gears it is quite common to see the tach read lower than redline... The tach gauge is damped and can't swing fast enough in low gears...
Works correctly in the higher gears... check the HUD... it reads correctly..
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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Yep, took me a few bounces off the rev limiter to figure that out!
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SKINVILLE
I just purchased a 2003 Z06 and I seem to hit the rev limiter just before red line, is this normal? I did a search and saw that the limiter happens at 6450 rpm?? is that right? I have had two other c5's and typically the limiter is a factor after red line. I would appreciate any input.
For WOT or near WOT, try shifting at tach indicated ~6200 in 1st & 2nd, preparing to shift at ~6000.

A possible PCM software fix would be to measure the RPM rate of change, and perform a correction based on the rate and filtered RPM (or perhaps use a Kalman or other predictive filter, instead of a simple FIR or IIR as apparently (currently) implemented).
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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Yeah if I don't make the attempt to shift at 6k RPM or so in 1st/2nd I will bounce off the rev limiter. Lazy tach, thats all, same thing happened in my 99 TransAm.
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thanks for the responses. so basically my tach is slow to respond but when does the limiter cut fuel, at 6450 rpm?
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 08:08 PM
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Most computer upgrades will allow you to increase the rev limiter RPMs. The engine will start to fall off at about 6,700 RPM, you can feel it and shift. You don't want to consistantly bounce off of a 7,000 RPM rev limiter but you should learn it quickly.
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thanks for the responses. so basically my tach is slow to respond but when does the limiter cut fuel, at 6450 rpm?
I believe the stock rev limiter is set at 6600 RPM: http://www.idavette.net/hibz06/page3.htm
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No wonder i hit my rev limiter so much in 1st
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redline is 6500rpm, so the limiter will be slightly above that.


1st gear goes by so quick I don't even have time to watch the needle... I just shift by sound, but I've only hit the limiter a couple times.
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Originally Posted by johnC5
For WOT or near WOT, try shifting at tach indicated ~6200 in 1st & 2nd, preparing to shift at ~6000.

A possible PCM software fix would be to measure the RPM rate of change, and perform a correction based on the rate and filtered RPM (or perhaps use a Kalman or other predictive filter, instead of a simple FIR or IIR as apparently (currently) implemented).
Given the powerful active handling software, one would think that a software correction for tach (filter/lag) error would have been implemented if possible. Perhaps the issue is the tach hardware response rate? It sounds like the aftermarket shift lights work well (easier to see than the HUD shift message, and RPM adjustable). Anyone tried an aftermarket tach?
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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 09:25 AM
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I payed more attention to the tach vs hud yesterday and the hud seems like it is more accurate(never knew there was a shift light). I agree with johnc5 that the analog tach really shouldn't be off considering the electronic technology in the car. 50k for a car to have the tach off just doesn't seem right. this is my third c5 (1st z) and i've never had this problem. it's just an annoyance that i don't want to deal with.
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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SKINVILLE
it's just an annoyance that i don't want to deal with.
So shift a 100-200 RPM sooner and it wont be. The power is dropping off before the rev limiter anyway so you aren't doing any good.
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Originally Posted by SKINVILLE
I payed more attention to the tach vs hud yesterday and the hud seems like it is more accurate(never knew there was a shift light). I agree with johnc5 that the analog tach really shouldn't be off considering the electronic technology in the car. 50k for a car to have the tach off just doesn't seem right. this is my third c5 (1st z) and i've never had this problem. it's just an annoyance that i don't want to deal with.
I agree that engine instrumention should be accurate. However, if the problem is the tach hardware, and GM's supplier can't (couldn't) fix the problem in a cost effective way, then the problem won't (didn't) get fixed. Hopefully the issue is fixed in the C6 and C6-Z06.

The simplest fix if you can't see / don't like the HUD message is to use a shift light: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...ht=shift+light .

Or shift at around 6200 indicated (start your shift action as the needle sweeps by 6000). Sure, it's a bummer that the tach is not accurate, but the work-around isn't too bad. It would be interesting to know if it's a hardware or software issue (and whether a fix is even possible).
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