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Old Jul 9, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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I installed long tube headers/high flow cats, x-pipe yesterday and I've been driving it around last night for a bit and all day today. I don't think it's been driven long enough yet, but out of curiosity I checked my LTFT's w/Auto Xray and the LTFT's are at +7%. I *think* that means that the PCM is adding fuel to compensate for a lean condition, but that at WOT my car is more likely to be rich because the added fuel from the LTFTs will be added to the PE table values.

However, I've read somewhere that unless LTFTs are above 10% there's really no need to do a dyno tune unless you want those last few horses, because if you're that close you won't be getting 15 horses from a dyno tune.

So what I'm basically asking is
  • whether my information is correct about lean/rich conditions
  • is there truth in "if you're off by less than +-10 on LTFTs you're going to get 10 or fewer horses by tuning"
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Old Jul 9, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Tune Time...
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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Tune Time...
Thanks for the data point. I'm really looking for information about when you know you need to tune using LTFTs and how much they're offset from Zero. Hopefully there's someone out there who has tuned a car where it only gained a few horses and some correlation to LTFTs.
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nuke61
I installed long tube headers/high flow cats, x-pipe yesterday and I've been driving it around last night for a bit and all day today. I don't think it's been driven long enough yet, but out of curiosity I checked my LTFT's w/Auto Xray and the LTFT's are at +7%. I *think* that means that the PCM is adding fuel to compensate for a lean condition, but that at WOT my car is more likely to be rich because the added fuel from the LTFTs will be added to the PE table values.

However, I've read somewhere that unless LTFTs are above 10% there's really no need to do a dyno tune unless you want those last few horses, because if you're that close you won't be getting 15 horses from a dyno tune.

So what I'm basically asking is
  • whether my information is correct about lean/rich conditions
  • is there truth in "if you're off by less than +-10 on LTFTs you're going to get 10 or fewer horses by tuning"

The LTerms are designed to swing to compensate for enviromental conditions. Thats the beauty in fuel injection.

You can probally still pick up some good power with a dyno tune.. There are lots of things that can be done in a tune besides fueling to help the car. If you find a good tuner in your area you can also do quite a bit of part throttle tuning to get the LTerms even closer and improve part throttle response.
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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U want LTFT to be 0 on WOT!
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin
If you find a good tuner in your area you can also do quite a bit of part throttle tuning to get the LTerms even closer and improve part throttle response.
Good point... I didn't even think about part throttle response. The tuner of choice in the SoCal area seems to be A&A Corvette up in Oxnard.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 10:14 AM
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I am not sure how close you are to Fremont (sf bay area), but you should give SYNERGY a call. They tune lots of c5, c6 etc. and have heard nothing but great things... to go along with my own personal experience.
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