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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 01:14 AM
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I'm new to tuning (hp tuners) and I'm in the process of tuning my '98 A4 for idle. Considering I'm along way away from a fully competent tuner what idle speed should I reasonably target:

P/N AC OFF:
P/N AC ON:
Drive AC OFF:
Drive AC ON:

For the following mods:

228/232 .571/573 112
Dart Pro 1 205 Heads
P1SC w/ 4.25 pulley (A&A)
Fast Intake
LS2 TB
BBK Headers
Yank SS3600

Thanks for the advice!
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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at least 800 with that cam. Since you have a stall converter you can go higher if needed.
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Thanks, that is exactly the rpm I was shooting for, I just thought it may have been a little high. Its idling pretty decent now, minus a surge it gets (which starts the idle death oscillation). I assume it largley has to do with the larger TB (airflow vs TPS). I'll figure it out.
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You need to do first is a Auto VE Tuning and then calcVE tuning first ! This will help the Idle. Are you running stock inj.?if not ,injector tables need to be done first.
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You need to do first is a Auto VE Tuning and then calcVE tuning first ! This will help the Idle. Are you running stock inj.?if not ,injector tables need to be done first.
Thanks for the info! No, I am not running stock injectors (60# Siemens deka). I have them installed, but not tuned yet. Haven't figured out how to do that yet, still researching this, I'm hoping to have the injectors set up sometime this week.
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Very large injectors???? There are 4 tables that need to be adjust!
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Old Sep 5, 2013 | 09:21 PM
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Very large injectors???? There are 4 tables that need to be adjust!
Haven't had much success in determining which tables to adjust (IFR for sure). Not much good info out there discussing this and surprisingly the worst source of info/help is HPTuners themselves. Work is getting in my way of research, so I'm a little behind schedule.
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4-tables that need to be adj.
1Flow rate VS KPA
2-Offset VS Volts vs Vac
3-small pulse adjustment
4-Mimimun injector pulse width.
You need to do this write???
Do you have the spec on your inj??
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Originally Posted by jeff keyuk
4-tables that need to be adj.
1Flow rate VS KPA
2-Offset VS Volts vs Vac
3-small pulse adjustment
4-Mimimun injector pulse width.
You need to do this write???
Do you have the spec on your inj??
My injectors are:

Siemens Deka 107961 (aka Edge M000200)

Basic Specs:

Coil Resistance: 12.5 Ohms / High Impedance / High- Z (No ECM driver modifications required)
• Static Flow Rate @ 43.5PSI ( 300kPa ) w/Gas: 60 lb/hr = 630 cc/min = 453 g/min
• Static Flow Rate @ 87PSI ( 600kPa ) w/Gas: 85.7 lb/hr = 900 cc/min = 648 g/min
• Gain: 0.11ms/mg
• Offset: 0.055ms
• Turn on time @ 14VDC: 1.14ms
• Turn off time: 0.85ms @ 600KPa

I do have some more info I pulled off of the injector website, just not sure exactly what to do with it.
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I'll take a look! I am running 39lbs inj. Who did the motor work? You really need to get this wright. You will never be able to tune your car wright.
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Reactor! Check this out! www.calibratedsuccess.com
Greg ! might help you out.
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Originally Posted by jeff keyuk
I'll take a look! I am running 39lbs inj. Who did the motor work? You really need to get this wright. You will never be able to tune your car wright.
I did 100% of the work myself in my garage. Heads,cam ,intake,TB,supercharger (A&A/Procharger hybrid), NOS, headers,WB O2, Fuel pump, oil pump, rearrend, stall, mini tub (not the LPE kit), etc. etc. etc.

You are correct the tune needs to be correct. But you are incorrect, I will be able to tune it correctly myself. Just a bit of a learning curve. I have Greg B's tuning DVD coming so that will be a good start.
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Originally Posted by jeff keyuk
Reactor! Check this out! www.calibratedsuccess.com
Greg ! might help you out.
Thanks for the link! Yeah, I have his DVD coming. If you want to be the best...you have to learn from the best!
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Thats cool ! I did mine myself too. Iam not saying you can't do it ! Iam just trying to make it easy for you ?? Good luck with your project ! cheers jeff!
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Originally Posted by jeff keyuk
Thats cool ! I did mine myself too. Iam not saying you can't do it ! Iam just trying to make it easy for you ?? Good luck with your project ! cheers jeff!
The fun part is going to be tuning AFR for WOT.
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You need to change the ETC area scalar to 0.0192 for the 90mm throttle body if you haven't already. I use the Banish injector specs with good results. I would recommend you check out the hptuners repository for other sc cars so you can see what your tune should look like. Note the timing, ve, and maf tables (if you are running a maf). Check out some basic tuning guides as well like this one.
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