Problems continue after Column Lock recall
Racer
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From: Willow Springs IL
flash?
Originally Posted by sbautist
I was also considering installing the bypass kit to see if this would fix the problem but read on other posting that this is not recommended once the recall has been performed?
What, exactly, did the dealership do to "fix" your column lock recall problem? Ask them that and see what they say. I just found a local one (IN) that swears they can reflash a PCM back to stock (like many others do successfully) but really don't know what they're doing.
Ask them in great detail, and have them perform the "flash" again and see what happens.
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6th Gear
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The last "fix" done by the dealership was installing a new column lock module. Because the dealership hasn't been able to repeat the problem, the teck replaced this part (fortunately free) hoping this would resolve it. So far it hasn't, but I have been experiencing fewer "Service Column Lock" messages. Noticed the problem sometimes happens after the car has been sitting in the garage for a few days. That's why I was planning on leaving it with the dealership for awhile, hoping the message would eventually come up.
I'll check into the PCM "flash" with the dealer and start looking on the net for the best pricing on the column lock bypass kits.
I'll check into the PCM "flash" with the dealer and start looking on the net for the best pricing on the column lock bypass kits.
Racer
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From: Willow Springs IL
Originally Posted by sbautist
The last "fix" done by the dealership was installing a new column lock module. Because the dealership hasn't been able to repeat the problem, the teck replaced this part (fortunately free) hoping this would resolve it. So far it hasn't, but I have been experiencing fewer "Service Column Lock" messages. Noticed the problem sometimes happens after the car has been sitting in the garage for a few days. That's why I was planning on leaving it with the dealership for awhile, hoping the message would eventually come up.
I'll check into the PCM "flash" with the dealer and start looking on the net for the best pricing on the column lock bypass kits.
I'll check into the PCM "flash" with the dealer and start looking on the net for the best pricing on the column lock bypass kits.
That's just my point. Under the recall, there wasn't supposed to be a hard fix (such as the column lock replacement) for the automatics -- just the 6 speeds. Since the situation is rectified by PCM flash, that's what they should have done! It's all right there in the service bulletin.
They're offer to replace the column lock indicates to me that they didn't read the bulletin. Get them to reflash your PCM under the guidlines of the service bulletin and all should be good.
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6th Gear
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After speaking in greater detail today with the service teck on what exactly was done, he said they did "flash" the PCM module twice, once after the column lock module was replaced. They also checked the floor board area near the BCM/PCM for water corrosion on the connector, check out ok.
I'm taking the car back to the dealer tomorrow and leaving it until the message appears during startup. The teck believes the problem isn't associated with the column lock recall but more with a bad key ignition module which may be triggering the anti-theft system and cutting the fuel after getting the "service column lock" message.
I've give them a few days and see what they find.
I'm taking the car back to the dealer tomorrow and leaving it until the message appears during startup. The teck believes the problem isn't associated with the column lock recall but more with a bad key ignition module which may be triggering the anti-theft system and cutting the fuel after getting the "service column lock" message.
I've give them a few days and see what they find.
Melting Slicks
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From: Allentown PA
Hope you get your problems solved in a timely manner.
I never had a problem with mine, but when I took my car in for the clutch problem, they did the recall, I was pissed, they never asked to do it. Of course, I lost my tune too. If I ever have a problem with it I'll be super pissed. Are they allowed to perform recalls without notifying you??
Good Luck...
Dave
I never had a problem with mine, but when I took my car in for the clutch problem, they did the recall, I was pissed, they never asked to do it. Of course, I lost my tune too. If I ever have a problem with it I'll be super pissed. Are they allowed to perform recalls without notifying you??
Good Luck...
Dave
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6th Gear
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Same happened to me. Around Dec. 2001, I took my car in for warrenty work on the steering system and they did the recall without notifying me.
Never had problems as a result of the recall until now. And even now, the dealer isn't certain if my problem is a result of the recall.
Never had problems as a result of the recall until now. And even now, the dealer isn't certain if my problem is a result of the recall.
Racer
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: Willow Springs IL
Originally Posted by sbautist
After speaking in greater detail today with the service teck on what exactly was done, he said they did "flash" the PCM module twice, once after the column lock module was replaced. They also checked the floor board area near the BCM/PCM for water corrosion on the connector, check out ok.
I'm taking the car back to the dealer tomorrow and leaving it until the message appears during startup. The teck believes the problem isn't associated with the column lock recall but more with a bad key ignition module which may be triggering the anti-theft system and cutting the fuel after getting the "service column lock" message.
I've give them a few days and see what they find.
I'm taking the car back to the dealer tomorrow and leaving it until the message appears during startup. The teck believes the problem isn't associated with the column lock recall but more with a bad key ignition module which may be triggering the anti-theft system and cutting the fuel after getting the "service column lock" message.
I've give them a few days and see what they find.
Good luck getting it rectified, but I believe those are two different problems -- non start because of anti theft device Vs Column lock issue.
Like I said. Good luck.
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with the dealer but even then they still win somehow and if i could take out the column lock i would do this
and im sure that would fix it
Burning Brakes
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From: Tampa, FL USA
Originally Posted by sbautist
Same happened to me. Around Dec. 2001, I took my car in for warrenty work on the steering system and they did the recall without notifying me.
Never had problems as a result of the recall until now. And even now, the dealer isn't certain if my problem is a result of the recall.
Never had problems as a result of the recall until now. And even now, the dealer isn't certain if my problem is a result of the recall.
Burning Brakes
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From: Country Boys Can Survive.
Originally Posted by sunvet
The key has a resistor in it, which won't be affected by magnetics.
I put in the column lock bypass a couple of years ago. When the recall notice came recently, I decided to ignore it; now that I see your problem I'm glad I did.
Before putting the bypass in, I took the car to the dealer, who also found nothing. In your case, if the dealer can't find a problem after leaving it overnight with him, I would recommend the bypass.
I put in the column lock bypass a couple of years ago. When the recall notice came recently, I decided to ignore it; now that I see your problem I'm glad I did.
Before putting the bypass in, I took the car to the dealer, who also found nothing. In your case, if the dealer can't find a problem after leaving it overnight with him, I would recommend the bypass.
Le Mans Master
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From: HONOLULU HAWAII
Originally Posted by Mr Cowl Hood
That's just my point. Under the recall, there wasn't supposed to be a hard fix (such as the column lock replacement) for the automatics -- just the 6 speeds. Since the situation is rectified by PCM flash, that's what they should have done! It's all right there in the service bulletin.
They're offer to replace the column lock indicates to me that they didn't read the bulletin. Get them to reflash your PCM under the guidlines of the service bulletin and all should be good.
They're offer to replace the column lock indicates to me that they didn't read the bulletin. Get them to reflash your PCM under the guidlines of the service bulletin and all should be good.
Racer
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From: Willow Springs IL
Originally Posted by WWK888
I am confused by your statement. I thought the recall for the autos was to disable the locking plate competely. The 6 speeds had the "reflash" which only cut the fuel and did not really address the problem of the steering locking up. Maybe I am reading your post wrong...
DOH! :o I wrote that backwards. Sorry. The 6 speeds get reflashed and the autos get the column lock delete.
So, in HIS case (an auto, right?) he definitely shouldn't be getting any codes referring to his column lock. The reflash would have done nothing for him and Anti-theft is still a separate issue.
