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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Time for another dumb question...

I have an 03 Z06. Did they come with 3.15 or 3.42 gears? (Doh!)

Is it best to replace the full differential unit for the hardened output shaft? Or, would I be okay changing gears only? I'm thinking 3.73s or 3.90s with about 520 rwhp.

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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 09:56 AM
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3.42 in the ZO6. All these units 3.73, 3.90, 4.10 are rebuilt aftermarket units so you can send your rear to be rebuilt or purchase another unit to swap in. Entirely your choice. Most of us donot have the specialty tools to swap the gears in the housing.
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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You should have 3:42 gears, Just change the gears and I would go with 4:10's. I did last year in my 97 coupe 6 spd with 02 Z-06 motor and LOVE em'! Still cruises at about 1900 to 2000 rpm at about 75-80. Perfect, don't know why anybody would go with something less, chuck
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You won't be able to just swap out the ring and pinion yourself. Need expensive tools. You can however, take the diff out and bring it to the right place. Probably looking at around $250-300 for someone to do it. Or, you could send your diff to DTE and they will really hook you up.
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 10:55 AM
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All these units 3.73
not 100%... but close. Getrag made a 3.73 unit. It's quite expensive though ($2000). I think that is why most go with internal gear swaps instead of buying the entire 3.73 carrier.
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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Thanks folks!!

What about the output shaft on my Z06? Would a rebuilt differential unit have a stronger one?

Also - Would the gearing in the M12 tranny make 4.10s a little too much?

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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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Output shafts can be ordered separately from DTE. You can also install them yourself.
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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Thanks again Cajundude

What about the tranny gearing in the Z06? Will 4.10 gears be even more "stout" because of the M12?
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Not 100% positive (I have a Coupe) but I think I remember reading somewhere that the 4.10s might be too high. So I would definitely suggest looking into it further.
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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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3.73's with M12 is very very close to 4.10's with M6 tranny. Whether too much or not is up for debate...

I have a chart I can send you in excel if you are interested, just let me know where to email. Shows popular gear choices with M12 and M6 tranny.
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The 4.10's will be weaker than the 3.42's. This is just due to the teeth count/size. The teeth are smaller because they ring is smaller.

It is said that expensive tools are needed to do a gear swap but the service manual does not mention anything out of the ordinary. It seems like it could be done like any other gear swap, although if you have not done a gear swap before I would not recommend the Getrag as your practice platform.
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The teeth are smaller because they ring is smaller.
The teeth are NOT smaller and the ring gear is also NOT smaller......... I'm not sure where this came/originated from, but it is COMPLETELY inaccurate.
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Originally Posted by DynoTech Engineering
The teeth are NOT smaller and the ring gear is also NOT smaller......... I'm not sure where this came/originated from, but it is COMPLETELY inaccurate.
Sounds like the words from the LS1.com forum when referring to camaro diffs. I ask that same question when I moved up to my vette and was told they are totally different rears. My guess anyway.

DTE, I need to contact you and see about some gears

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I'd say go with 3.90s since you have the m12 tranny
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Originally Posted by DynoTech Engineering
The teeth are NOT smaller and the ring gear is also NOT smaller......... I'm not sure where this came/originated from, but it is COMPLETELY inaccurate.
Alright, this may be inaccurate, I may have mis-stated it. I did not mean that the diameter of the ring is smaller but that since there are more teeth (at least on the pinion) so they cannot be as deep, but I believe it is true that 4.10's would not be as 'robust' as a numerically smaller ratio simply due to the multiplier. Correct? Or BS again? I will defer to the experts.
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Perhaps DTE can also speak to the tools they use when installing gear sets...

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A monkey wrench and a big hammer.....
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Originally Posted by DynoTech Engineering
A monkey wrench and a big hammer.....
You forgot to mention vise grips
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Oh yeah....forgot. It also helps if you hold your tongue just a bit to the right too....
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