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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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Ok, I've had every problem in the book on my 2001 6speed coupe. In fact, I could probably write a book. Here is the latest. I put my car under a cover for the last 3 weeks. It has an optima red top but no trickle charger. I went to take it out for a spin yesterday and it wouldn't start. Turn the key and hear a click in the passenger footwell but thats all. I also noticed that it wouldn't go into reverse. I figured it was the battery given the fact that it was cold and I hadn't driven it for 3 weeks. Today I hooked up the battery tender and left it on for a few hours. No help. So I tried the jumper cables and no luck. I feel fairly confident that the battery is charged or at least the jumper cables should have worked. The volt meter reads 14 in the on position. Last time this happened was a few years ago when the car was still under warrantee. It turned out to be the BCM (normally an expensive fix). As I recall though, there was no click in the passenger foot well that time, just absolute silence. Oh yes, one last thing, no codes were thrown. What do you guys think?
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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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I would try another battery. It may show 14 volts, but, it may not have the current capability to turn over the engine. Also try to give it as much load as possible, turn on lights, as well as any power consuming device all at the same time...
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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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I would try another battery. It may show 14 volts, but, it may not have the current capability to turn over the engine. Also try to give it as much load as possible, turn on lights, as well as any power consuming device all at the same time...
Buy a volt meter. $30 at Walmart.

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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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In the summer, My Y2K might last 3 week without a start. IN the winter, it makes it to 2 weeks and its not happy
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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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In the summer, My Y2K might last 3 week without a start. IN the winter, it makes it to 2 weeks and its not happy
Mine sat for 6 months and started no problem.

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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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It's a bad battery. How old is it? If it's less than 4 yrs. old it might be worth it to try to get it to recover from a deep cycle. I think the red-top can take a few deep cycles, but it might have de-sulpherized. Put the tender on it for a few days, or if you don't want to wait, get a 6 amp charger and put it on for about 8hrs. If the battery takes the current you may be able to use it for a while longer. If you didn't have the battery disconnected, the VATS will drain it in about 2 weeks. Sometimes the batteries will self discharge when left for a while without being hooked up. OR the cables are either bad, loose, or the connection has gone high resistance.
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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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It's a bad battery. How old is it? If it's less than 4 yrs. old it might be worth it to try to get it to recover from a deep cycle. I think the red-top can take a few deep cycles, but it might have de-sulpherized. Put the tender on it for a few days, or if you don't want to wait, get a 6 amp charger and put it on for about 8hrs. If the battery takes the current you may be able to use it for a while longer. If you didn't have the battery disconnected, the VATS will drain it in about 2 weeks. Sometimes the batteries will self discharge when left for a while without being hooked up. OR the cables are either bad, loose, or the connection has gone high resistance.

Always disconnect the ground cable when in storage.

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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Just because it has 14 v dose not mean it has cold crank amps to turn the cold motor over. too many time people confuse volts for amps you have to have both. These cars are pigs when it comes to power. So check the battery good take it to one of the many auto store and they will check it for free. Good luck
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Just because it has 14 v dose not mean it has cold crank amps to turn the cold motor over. too many time people confuse volts for amps you have to have both. These cars are pigs when it comes to power. So check the battery good take it to one of the many auto store and they will check it for free. Good luck
However, when you turn the key, if there is enough of a currrent draw, or lack of current capacity in the battery, voltage should drop like a rock. If that battery cannot supply enough current to turn the engine over, the voltage, when you are trying to turn the engine over, will be extremely low. Leave the battery voltage display on the DIC when you are trying to start the car and see if it drops when you try to engaage the starter. If it doesn't drop, something simple to try, just for the heck of it, would be to clean your key pellet and ignition key slot with some alcohol. You might get lucky. This happened to me once after I had some crud on my fingers and handled my keys. Turned the key and it wouldn't engage the starter. As I recall, the accessories worked, though. It just wouldn't turn the starter over. Try the simple/easy things first. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by blkvett01
Just because it has 14 v dose not mean it has cold crank amps to turn the cold motor over. too many time people confuse volts for amps you have to have both. These cars are pigs when it comes to power. So check the battery good take it to one of the many auto store and they will check it for free. Good luck
If the battery is low he'll have low voltage. His gage indicates 14V. If that's correct, it should start the car. A volt meter is a required tool if you're going to work on these things.

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If the battery is low he'll have low voltage. His gage indicates 14V. If that's correct, it should start the car. A volt meter is a required tool if you're going to work on these things.

Bob

My battery indicated full voltage and the starter wouldn't turn over. The ignition key anti-theft system wouldn't allow power to the starter. Cleaned the key pellet (I had just eaten a sticky-bun) and then squirted a little alcohol in the ignition switch and inserted and withdrew the key a few times, and, Voila! It started and the problem has never happened again. Of course, I'm more careful handling my keys now.
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Old Feb 27, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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My battery indicated full voltage and the starter wouldn't turn over. The ignition key anti-theft system wouldn't allow power to the starter. Cleaned the key pellet (I had just eaten a sticky-bun) and then squirted a little alcohol in the ignition switch and inserted and withdrew the key a few times, and, Voila! It started and the problem has never happened again. Of course, I'm more careful handling my keys now.
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I was talking about the battery. I agree with you there are several things that will prevent the car from starting.

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Thanks for the replies! I actually have a voltmeter. How many amps should the battery have in order to work properly? Or put another way, how can you tell that your battery is bad with the voltmeter?

I'll leave the car on the battery tender for a few days. Actually I have no choice because we are getting a snow storm here tomorrow. The battery is about 2 years old max. The volts do drop like a rock when I turn the key so maybe that is the problem. It would certainly make sense given the fact that this was the longest stretch it has ever gone without use. My vette was my daily driver (since 2001) until the beginning of this year. I had to buy an suv for the snow. I just didn't like driving the vette in the crappy weather, not to mention the pot holes.
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Thanks for the replies! I actually have a voltmeter. How many amps should the battery have in order to work properly? Or put another way, how can you tell that your battery is bad with the voltmeter?

I'll leave the car on the battery tender for a few days. Actually I have no choice because we are getting a snow storm here tomorrow. The battery is about 2 years old max. The volts do drop like a rock when I turn the key so maybe that is the problem. It would certainly make sense given the fact that this was the longest stretch it has ever gone without use. My vette was my daily driver (since 2001) until the beginning of this year. I had to buy an suv for the snow. I just didn't like driving the vette in the crappy weather, not to mention the pot holes.
A good battery should have about 13.5V. It should start the car if it's down to 12V. Below 12V, forget it. If you check it right after a charge, you'll get a false high. You should let it set for several hrs. before checking.

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Just because it has 14 v dose not mean it has cold crank amps to turn the cold motor over. too many time people confuse volts for amps you have to have both. These cars are pigs when it comes to power. So check the battery good take it to one of the many auto store and they will check it for free. Good luck
Good point. Volt meters just tell you if the cells are good or bad not weather or not there is enough power ( Amp’s) left in it to start the motor. You will need to take the battery somewhere that can put it under a load to determine the amps or you can buy a tester at an auto shop for around $40.00 that will test the battery under a load. I cannot leave mine for more that 3 weeks before it is drained. One other thing that you could check, if the terminals are corroded the car can get enough current to run the lights but not enough to start. Good Luck!
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The Corvette Shop in Coldenham, NY is going to install a quick disconnect for my battery. It's just an inline disconnect with a screw wheel to disconnect the battery with, looks really easy to use. He said these cars all need them to prevent these dead battery issues.
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Guess what, it wasn't the battery. I put a new one in and nada.... So its going to the shop today. When I get it back, it should have a new set of headers on it as well so I'm not that upset.
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Guess what, it wasn't the battery. I put a new one in and nada.... So its going to the shop today. When I get it back, it should have a new set of headers on it as well so I'm not that upset.
What these guys are saying about the amps is called your 'cold cranking amps' and will only affect the starting in really cold weather. As long as you had 13.5 V your battery was good. If you had charged the battery it was no longer cold and none of that applied.

Hope it was an older battery and you would have to change it anyway in the coming year.

Headers, man it must be nice to have money.

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The Corvette Shop in Coldenham, NY is going to install a quick disconnect for my battery. It's just an inline disconnect with a screw wheel to disconnect the battery with, looks really easy to use. He said these cars all need them to prevent these dead battery issues.
Are there any problems associated with disconnecting the ground for any length of time, such as loss of memory in the computer or any other losses.Thanks.
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Headers, man it must be nice to have money.

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