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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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I was wondering if an automatic transmission cooler would be a reasonable modification to my otherwise stock, daily driving 03' Coupe. Would it materially prolong transmission life? I am not hard on the car (usually) and it will never see a track. I do spend a lot of time on the road for work...mostly long highway drives.

Will I derive any significant benefit from this device? It seems like a decent idea on one hand, but then again, it is just another part to have a problem with later. I welcome your input and thank you in advance.
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Originally Posted by Prosecutor
I was wondering if an automatic transmission cooler would be a reasonable modification to my otherwise stock, daily driving 03' Coupe. Would it materially prolong transmission life? I am not hard on the car (usually) and it will never see a track. I do spend a lot of time on the road for work...mostly long highway drives.

Will I derive any significant benefit from this device? It seems like a decent idea on one hand, but then again, it is just another part to have a problem with later. I welcome your input and thank you in advance.
Prosecutor, If your car is still under warranty you may want to check with your dealer, as I have read some accounts stating that the addition of a trans cooler could void the GM warranty. This may vary from dealer to dealer, so it`s best to check.
The above mentioned issue aside, I have seen temps reach 200/220+ on my 98 A-4 when sitting in stop and go traffic or when driven hard in the nearby canyons! After installing an B&M cooler (model #70264/24,000 btu) the temps have come down considerably.
It is a fact that the A4 trans is a weak link in the C5, BOTTOM LINE, lower temps equal longer trans life.

Good luck, Rick (R.P.)
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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by R.P.
Prosecutor, If your car is still under warranty you may want to check with your dealer, as I have read some accounts stating that the addition of a trans cooler could void the GM warranty. This may vary from dealer to dealer, so it`s best to check.
The above mentioned issue aside, I have seen temps reach 200/220+ on my 98 A-4 when sitting in stop and go traffic or when driven hard in the nearby canyons! After installing an B&M cooler (model #70264/24,000 btu) the temps have come down considerably.
It is a fact that the A4 trans is a weak link in the C5, BOTTOM LINE, lower temps equal longer trans life.

Good luck, Rick (R.P.)


Definately worth getting if it won't void your warranty.
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Thanks guys. I am at the tail of the manufacturer's warranty and planning to purchase an extension from Great Atlantic. I will review that contract. It seems strange that something so helful would cause a warranty problem, but I'm sure they see a cooler as an indication of hard driving / track use. Sigh.
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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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Great thread, Prosecutor. I've wondered the same thing with my '02 A4. So what AT cooler is recommended on this forum?
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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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B&M makes a good unit for about 50- 60 dollars. Seems to be a popular choice with a lot of A4 owners
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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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I'm not sure if this is true of all years, but my 2004 A4 came with a stock tranny cooler. It does feed into the radiator and probably isn't as efficient as a stand-alone cooler, but under non-extreme conditions how much difference would that really make? (a real question, not a rhetorical one)
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Old Mar 4, 2005 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipN
I'm not sure if this is true of all years, but my 2004 A4 came with a stock tranny cooler. It does feed into the radiator and probably isn't as efficient as a stand-alone cooler, but under non-extreme conditions how much difference would that really make? (a real question, not a rhetorical one)
All cars with an automatic transmission have some type of cooler and most are built into the radiator. If you don't do any heavy hauling or towing and will not have your car on the track then an additional cooler is just a waste of money ...IMO, next time you drive your car pull up the transmission temperature and you'll see that it doesn't get very warm at all for normal driving, now if your seeing temps above 230* then yes a cooler may help but if your temps are hovering above that maybe you need to have your fluid and filter changed first.
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I have a 4,000 stall and 3.73's. With lowered fan turn on temps, the only time my tranny sees over 200 degrees is when I'm hot lapping(round robin) at the track. Even in heavy traffic it doesn't go above 200.
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I see 194 all day in my Vette @ almost any outside temp.
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Originally Posted by Prosecutor
I was wondering if an automatic transmission cooler would be a reasonable modification to my otherwise stock, daily driving 03' Coupe. Would it materially prolong transmission life? I am not hard on the car (usually) and it will never see a track. I do spend a lot of time on the road for work...mostly long highway drives.

Will I derive any significant benefit from this device? It seems like a decent idea on one hand, but then again, it is just another part to have a problem with later. I welcome your input and thank you in advance.
I wouldn't do it. Your trans temp is going to be pretty close to your engine temp. If you think it's too hot, lower the engine temp by replacing the thermostat with a 160 or 189 and then lower your fan settings.

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Originally Posted by Prosecutor
I was wondering if an automatic transmission cooler would be a reasonable modification to my otherwise stock, daily driving 03' Coupe. Would it materially prolong transmission life? I am not hard on the car (usually) and it will never see a track. I do spend a lot of time on the road for work...mostly long highway drives.

Will I derive any significant benefit from this device? It seems like a decent idea on one hand, but then again, it is just another part to have a problem with later. I welcome your input and thank you in advance.
I wouldn't do it. Your trans temp is going to be pretty close to your engine temp. If you think it's too hot, lower the engine temp by replacing the thermostat with a 160 or 180 and then lower your fan settings.

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I have a 4,000 stall and 3.73's. With lowered fan turn on temps, the only time my tranny sees over 200 degrees is when I'm hot lapping(round robin) at the track. Even in heavy traffic it doesn't go above 200.
Are you running a cooler or just the fans/stat change?

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I see 194 all day in my Vette @ almost any outside temp.
If you can keep your tranny temps at 180 or slightly lower it will lenthen your trannys life. Assuming you are not regularly abusing it.
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
Are you running a cooler or just the fans/stat change?

No cooler, just stat and fans.
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Old Mar 6, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Face
No cooler, just stat and fans.
Is it a 160 or 180 stat? What are your fan temp settings?

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Originally Posted by Prosecutor
I was wondering if an automatic transmission cooler would be a reasonable modification to my otherwise stock, daily driving 03' Coupe. Would it materially prolong transmission life? I am not hard on the car (usually) and it will never see a track. I do spend a lot of time on the road for work...mostly long highway drives.

Will I derive any significant benefit from this device? It seems like a decent idea on one hand, but then again, it is just another part to have a problem with later. I welcome your input and thank you in advance.
Some of the GM engineers I know on the forum recommend 200 / 210 deg operating temp for the tranny.

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180. Not sure of the fan turn on temp, but it's slightly above 180.
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180. Not sure of the fan turn on temp, but it's slightly above 180.
Perfect that is the stat I am getting

My fan programming:

FAN 1 ON/OFF: 194/185
FAN 2 ON/OFF: 204/195

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Old Mar 7, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Much of the heat that builds up in an automatic comes from the torque converter working, not from slippage etc in the transmission itself.

If you are mostly highway driving, the TQ is locked up so heat shouldn't be an issue for you.

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