CLB Strange Problem
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CLB Strange Problem
1999 A4 with 15,000 miles.Column locked few days ago,got the usual pull key/service column lock,am in Kuwait so little if any local assistance available.
Got a friend to Fedex a CLB Kit which was received today.Using the kit,got the column unlocked and installed the CLB with not much difficulty,if I, with one arm, can do it -anyone can.Get it done.
The problem I need help with is I am still getting pull key/service column lock and engine shuts down when when trying to drive car.
Resetting does not help,pulled fuses 25 and 29 waited a minute-no help,disconnected negitive battery cable for 5 nimutes,also no help.
Sure looking for ideas and help with this.One more point, the car is an export model A4 and I believe GM treats these like a domestic MN6 in that PCM needs to be flashed to get rid off the fuel shut off.
Any ideas,you guys are about my only hope.Will a reflash do any good.
No codes showing
Any other ideas/suggestions.
Tom
Got a friend to Fedex a CLB Kit which was received today.Using the kit,got the column unlocked and installed the CLB with not much difficulty,if I, with one arm, can do it -anyone can.Get it done.
The problem I need help with is I am still getting pull key/service column lock and engine shuts down when when trying to drive car.
Resetting does not help,pulled fuses 25 and 29 waited a minute-no help,disconnected negitive battery cable for 5 nimutes,also no help.
Sure looking for ideas and help with this.One more point, the car is an export model A4 and I believe GM treats these like a domestic MN6 in that PCM needs to be flashed to get rid off the fuel shut off.
Any ideas,you guys are about my only hope.Will a reflash do any good.
No codes showing
Any other ideas/suggestions.
Tom
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Originally Posted by Hellobkk
1999 A4 with 15,000 miles.Column locked few days ago,got the usual pull key/service column lock,am in Kuwait so little if any local assistance available.
Got a friend to Fedex a CLB Kit which was received today.Using the kit,got the column unlocked and installed the CLB with not much difficulty,if I, with one arm, can do it -anyone can.Get it done.
The problem I need help with is I am still getting pull key/service column lock and engine shuts down when when trying to drive car.
Resetting does not help,pulled fuses 25 and 29 waited a minute-no help,disconnected negitive battery cable for 5 nimutes,also no help.
Sure looking for ideas and help with this.One more point, the car is an export model A4 and I believe GM treats these like a domestic MN6 in that PCM needs to be flashed to get rid off the fuel shut off.
Any ideas,you guys are about my only hope.Will a reflash do any good.
No codes showing
Any other ideas/suggestions.
Tom
Got a friend to Fedex a CLB Kit which was received today.Using the kit,got the column unlocked and installed the CLB with not much difficulty,if I, with one arm, can do it -anyone can.Get it done.
The problem I need help with is I am still getting pull key/service column lock and engine shuts down when when trying to drive car.
Resetting does not help,pulled fuses 25 and 29 waited a minute-no help,disconnected negitive battery cable for 5 nimutes,also no help.
Sure looking for ideas and help with this.One more point, the car is an export model A4 and I believe GM treats these like a domestic MN6 in that PCM needs to be flashed to get rid off the fuel shut off.
Any ideas,you guys are about my only hope.Will a reflash do any good.
No codes showing
Any other ideas/suggestions.
Tom
Sorry for your troubles, don't think I can help but I would like to know what "flashing the PCM" entails? I own a MN6 with 61k.
No other issues when you disconnected the battery cable?
I'm trying to get rid of C2120.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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Originally Posted by jeff1surfs
Tom,
Sorry for your troubles, don't think I can help but I would like to know what "flashing the PCM" entails? I own a MN6 with 61k.
No other issues when you disconnected the battery cable?
I'm trying to get rid of C2120.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Sorry for your troubles, don't think I can help but I would like to know what "flashing the PCM" entails? I own a MN6 with 61k.
No other issues when you disconnected the battery cable?
I'm trying to get rid of C2120.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
no info for you on c2120.
tom
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The A4s have a different fix than the M6s.
The A4s have the lock removed. The M6s have the PCM reflashed.
So if the recall was done on that car, and done right, it would have nothing to lock to.
Call the dealership, have them run the VIN, and since it is a recall and not a TSB it will be done for free on a car out of warranty.
The A4s have the lock removed. The M6s have the PCM reflashed.
So if the recall was done on that car, and done right, it would have nothing to lock to.
Call the dealership, have them run the VIN, and since it is a recall and not a TSB it will be done for free on a car out of warranty.
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From: Longview Texas
Originally Posted by Hellobkk
1999 A4 with 15,000 miles.Column locked few days ago,got the usual pull key/service column lock,Tom
On 1999 A4s, the lock plate should have been removed, and the GM Harness K installed, so the column cannot lock. However, if the relay in the harness fails, the BCM cannot determine the actuator position, and the fuel will be shutoff. NONE of the recalls involve reprogramming to keep the fuel from shutting off. All cars are programmed to do that.
Did you disconnect the GM harness to install the aftermarket CLB?
If not, and the column still locks, then the recall was not done on your car. However, the CLB should satisfy the BCM and keep the BCM from shutting off fuel. It is possible that the CLB is defective. You might try plugging the actuator back in and see if the error clears.
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Originally Posted by TEXHAWK0
Read the sticky at the top of the forum on Steering Column Lock.
On 1999 A4s, the lock plate should have been removed, and the GM Harness K installed, so the column cannot lock. However, if the relay in the harness fails, the BCM cannot determine the actuator position, and the fuel will be shutoff. NONE of the recalls involve reprogramming to keep the fuel from shutting off. All cars are programmed to do that.
Did you disconnect the GM harness to install the aftermarket CLB?
If not, and the column still locks, then the recall was not done on your car. However, the CLB should satisfy the BCM and keep the BCM from shutting off fuel. It is possible that the CLB is defective. You might try plugging the actuator back in and see if the error clears.
On 1999 A4s, the lock plate should have been removed, and the GM Harness K installed, so the column cannot lock. However, if the relay in the harness fails, the BCM cannot determine the actuator position, and the fuel will be shutoff. NONE of the recalls involve reprogramming to keep the fuel from shutting off. All cars are programmed to do that.
Did you disconnect the GM harness to install the aftermarket CLB?
If not, and the column still locks, then the recall was not done on your car. However, the CLB should satisfy the BCM and keep the BCM from shutting off fuel. It is possible that the CLB is defective. You might try plugging the actuator back in and see if the error clears.
tom
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From: Carson City, NV
Originally Posted by Hellobkk
The recall was not done.After using the kit to unlock the steering column,which is now unlocked,and the CLB installed i am still getting pull key/service column lock which seems to indicate the BCM IS NOT SYNCRONIZING -any ideas on how to resolve this issue.
tom
tom
If the green wire is bad, your CLB will show open instead of +12Vdc when locked).
The purple wire will be the unlock signal and the orange wire will be the lock signal. Fuse 23 in the passenger footwell fusebox provides +12Vdc for these lines. Check to make sure this fuse is not blown.
If the black wire is open or if the CLB has malfunctioned, the BCM will not receive the correct status and you will get the "Pull key and wait 10 seconds error message. I hope you find this helpful. Please read the sticky at the top of the Tech Section also which has links to other helpful info. Post me if you still have problems.
John
Last edited by Cscokd; Apr 17, 2005 at 12:29 AM.
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Originally Posted by jeff1surfs
Tom,
Sorry for your troubles, don't think I can help but I would like to know what "flashing the PCM" entails? I own a MN6 with 61k.
No other issues when you disconnected the battery cable?
I'm trying to get rid of C2120.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Sorry for your troubles, don't think I can help but I would like to know what "flashing the PCM" entails? I own a MN6 with 61k.
No other issues when you disconnected the battery cable?
I'm trying to get rid of C2120.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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Originally Posted by Cscokd
You are correct. The BCM is still not satisfied with the status it is getting from either your ECL unit or the CLB that you just installed. So I would start troubleshooting the wiring going to the CLB. Use an ohmmeter and make sure the black wire has a solid ground. The green wire is the status line going to the BCM. It should indicate ground (0 Vdc) when "unlocked" and +12Vdc when "locked" (note there is a pullup resistor inside the BCM).
If the green wire is bad, your CLB will show open instead of +12Vdc when locked).
The purple wire will be the unlock signal and the orange wire will be the lock signal. Fuse 23 in the passenger footwell fusebox provides +12Vdc for these lines. Check to make sure this fuse is not blown.
If the black wire is open or if the CLB has malfunctioned, the BCM will not receive the correct status and you will get the "Pull key and wait 10 seconds error message. I hope you find this helpful. Please read the sticky at the top of the Tech Section also which has links to other helpful info. Post me if you still have problems.
John
If the green wire is bad, your CLB will show open instead of +12Vdc when locked).
The purple wire will be the unlock signal and the orange wire will be the lock signal. Fuse 23 in the passenger footwell fusebox provides +12Vdc for these lines. Check to make sure this fuse is not blown.
If the black wire is open or if the CLB has malfunctioned, the BCM will not receive the correct status and you will get the "Pull key and wait 10 seconds error message. I hope you find this helpful. Please read the sticky at the top of the Tech Section also which has links to other helpful info. Post me if you still have problems.
John
Tom