Need some input on my AFR/ TR224 combo
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Need some input on my AFR/ TR224 combo
I tried this once and didnt get much feedback so thought I'd ask again. I currently am running the mods in my signature and am thinking about tweeking it a little more and am looking for outside opinions. The dyno was before I added the TB and pully, here is the link to the graph:http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327577
I do all my own work so I dont mind tearing it apart and actually enjoy it. I am considering the following:
-removing and milling the heads .024
-.040 head gasket
-swaping the TR224/114 out for the AFR 224/228
-ported oil pump
-04 85mm ZO6 MAF
I realize the gains would be small but just really want to have a little more on top and in the mid range and overall just optimizing my setup. Just looking for some opinions/input on my what I plan to do.....
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I do all my own work so I dont mind tearing it apart and actually enjoy it. I am considering the following:
-removing and milling the heads .024
-.040 head gasket
-swaping the TR224/114 out for the AFR 224/228
-ported oil pump
-04 85mm ZO6 MAF
I realize the gains would be small but just really want to have a little more on top and in the mid range and overall just optimizing my setup. Just looking for some opinions/input on my what I plan to do.....
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Originally Posted by msghuff
I tried this once and didnt get much feedback so thought I'd ask again. I currently am running the mods in my signature and am thinking about tweeking it a little more and am looking for outside opinions. The dyno was before I added the TB and pully, here is the link to the graph:http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327577
I do all my own work so I dont mind tearing it apart and actually enjoy it. I am considering the following:
-removing and milling the heads .024
-.040 head gasket
-swaping the TR224/114 out for the AFR 224/228
-ported oil pump
-04 85mm ZO6 MAF
I realize the gains would be small but just really want to have a little more on top and in the mid range and overall just optimizing my setup. Just looking for some opinions/input on my what I plan to do.....
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I do all my own work so I dont mind tearing it apart and actually enjoy it. I am considering the following:
-removing and milling the heads .024
-.040 head gasket
-swaping the TR224/114 out for the AFR 224/228
-ported oil pump
-04 85mm ZO6 MAF
I realize the gains would be small but just really want to have a little more on top and in the mid range and overall just optimizing my setup. Just looking for some opinions/input on my what I plan to do.....
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Seriously, you would be approaching mid 400's to the tires when complimented with the other options mentioned (AFR 224/228 cam, bump in CR, and the larger MAF). Obviously the "economics" of the better intake is a concern, but it is an effective mod on an engine with everything else you have described.
Good luck with your project regardless of what you decide...
Tony M.
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
Last edited by Tony Mamo; Jan 9, 2006 at 11:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
I love my setup now. Docile when cruising but becomes a street killer at WOT. When its time for springs change, im milling the heads more to 59cc, and adding a ported TB 
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Originally Posted by Ikester
I love my setup now. Docile when cruising but becomes a street killer at WOT. When its time for springs change, im milling the heads more to 59cc, and adding a ported TB 
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I have the TR 224/224 CAM with some 98 model ported heads. We aren't making the power we had hoped, and the engine builder, not really an LS1 guy, seemed to think it was the cam. I think it was the over-porting of the heads that killed port velocity. Who knows. I do know that I'm down on power by at least 20HP over other guys with the same combo as me, except using LS6 heads with minor port work. I've got 2.02/ 1.57 valves and upgraded hardware.
On the oil pump issue, we went with the new Melling LS1 hi-volume/ Hi pressure pump. I'd recommend it over the ported LS6 pump. I had one of those and was going to install it untill the Melling unit hit the market. It oulflows the stock unit even when ported.
After reading your list of parts, we're close on what we have in mods, and mine is a 99M6 coupe as well. My cam is the same, I've got LGM LTs with SLP Cats, Bassani X, and Z06 mufflers, the LS6 intake and injectors from a Z06, and a Volant CAI. I'm surprised I'm not making more power, and defenitely surprised you're not.
Mike
On the oil pump issue, we went with the new Melling LS1 hi-volume/ Hi pressure pump. I'd recommend it over the ported LS6 pump. I had one of those and was going to install it untill the Melling unit hit the market. It oulflows the stock unit even when ported.
After reading your list of parts, we're close on what we have in mods, and mine is a 99M6 coupe as well. My cam is the same, I've got LGM LTs with SLP Cats, Bassani X, and Z06 mufflers, the LS6 intake and injectors from a Z06, and a Volant CAI. I'm surprised I'm not making more power, and defenitely surprised you're not.
Mike
Last edited by Mikelly; Jan 10, 2006 at 06:31 AM.
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo
Add a stock (or ported FAST) and either a NW or ported LS2 TB and you will really be styling....
Seriously, you would be approaching mid 400's to the tires when complimented with the other options mentioned (AFR 224/228 cam, bump in CR, and the larger MAF). Obviously the "economics" of the better intake is a concern, but it is an effective mod on an engine with everything else you have described.
Good luck with your project regardless of what you decide...
Tony M.
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
Seriously, you would be approaching mid 400's to the tires when complimented with the other options mentioned (AFR 224/228 cam, bump in CR, and the larger MAF). Obviously the "economics" of the better intake is a concern, but it is an effective mod on an engine with everything else you have described.
Good luck with your project regardless of what you decide...
Tony M.
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
Last edited by ArKay99; Jan 10, 2006 at 10:36 PM.
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From: pawleys island sc
Originally Posted by Tony Mamo
Add a stock (or ported FAST) and either a NW or ported LS2 TB and you will really be styling....
Seriously, you would be approaching mid 400's to the tires when complimented with the other options mentioned (AFR 224/228 cam, bump in CR, and the larger MAF). Obviously the "economics" of the better intake is a concern, but it is an effective mod on an engine with everything else you have described.
Good luck with your project regardless of what you decide...
Tony M.
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
Seriously, you would be approaching mid 400's to the tires when complimented with the other options mentioned (AFR 224/228 cam, bump in CR, and the larger MAF). Obviously the "economics" of the better intake is a concern, but it is an effective mod on an engine with everything else you have described.
Good luck with your project regardless of what you decide...
Tony M.
PS....The beauty of the gameplan mentioned above is that power will dramatically be improved with no penalty in drivability, low rpm snap, or fuel economy....in fact, all of those will likely be improved!
see my sig modeled after Tony's suggestions VERY streetable but has plenty of GO. I'd only consider a NW TB.
Last edited by 99 vett babycar; Jan 10, 2006 at 04:30 PM.
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I'd like to see someone do a 224/228 XER 110 + 0 with some compression. I have had nothing but great success with 110lsa cams. My 230/230 picked up 15rwhp from a 114 LSA and my current 232/238 110 + 0 has been nothing but stellar.
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Originally Posted by msghuff
Are your heads milled at all now? Thanks
I believe thats .030
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Gunny, you have the same set up as im going to have, and I would have thought for sure you'd break the 400 RWHP line. I was hoping to be between 405 and 410. I was going to use the .051 GM MLS gaskets at be at 10.8:1. I hear about other ( .040) gaskets crapping out, but I havent heard of the GM one failing.
I was thinking of swithcing cams, but im sure 400 RWHP wil be fine for me. If not, a bottle of jucie will fix that
I was thinking of swithcing cams, but im sure 400 RWHP wil be fine for me. If not, a bottle of jucie will fix that
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Originally Posted by phils C5 vette
Gunny, you have the same set up as im going to have, and I would have thought for sure you'd break the 400 RWHP line. I was hoping to be between 405 and 410. I was going to use the .051 GM MLS gaskets at be at 10.8:1. I hear about other ( .040) gaskets crapping out, but I havent heard of the GM one failing.
I was thinking of swithcing cams, but im sure 400 RWHP wil be fine for me. If not, a bottle of jucie will fix that
I was thinking of swithcing cams, but im sure 400 RWHP wil be fine for me. If not, a bottle of jucie will fix that
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Originally Posted by Mikelly
I have the TR 224/224 CAM with some 98 model ported heads. We aren't making the power we had hoped, and the engine builder, not really an LS1 guy, seemed to think it was the cam. I think it was the over-porting of the heads that killed port velocity. Who knows. I do know that I'm down on power by at least 20HP over other guys with the same combo as me, except using LS6 heads with minor port work. I've got 2.02/ 1.57 valves and upgraded hardware.
On the oil pump issue, we went with the new Melling LS1 hi-volume/ Hi pressure pump. I'd recommend it over the ported LS6 pump. I had one of those and was going to install it untill the Melling unit hit the market. It oulflows the stock unit even when ported.
After reading your list of parts, we're close on what we have in mods, and mine is a 99M6 coupe as well. My cam is the same, I've got LGM LTs with SLP Cats, Bassani X, and Z06 mufflers, the LS6 intake and injectors from a Z06, and a Volant CAI. I'm surprised I'm not making more power, and defenitely surprised you're not.
Mike
On the oil pump issue, we went with the new Melling LS1 hi-volume/ Hi pressure pump. I'd recommend it over the ported LS6 pump. I had one of those and was going to install it untill the Melling unit hit the market. It oulflows the stock unit even when ported.
After reading your list of parts, we're close on what we have in mods, and mine is a 99M6 coupe as well. My cam is the same, I've got LGM LTs with SLP Cats, Bassani X, and Z06 mufflers, the LS6 intake and injectors from a Z06, and a Volant CAI. I'm surprised I'm not making more power, and defenitely surprised you're not.
Mike
