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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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I was just wondering if GM had upgraded any internal parts of the 4L60E transmission from 1997 -2004. My dealership service advisor had told me there had been some new upgrades in the later model A4 s. Truth or BS? Just wondering if anyone out in Corvette land had more info.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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It's true. I can't name what parts exactly, but the later 4L65E is stronger.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 04:11 AM
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It's true. I can't name what parts exactly, but the later 4L65E is stronger.


The 4L65E has more clutches in the 3-4 clutch pak than the earlier 4L60E. I believe it also has a stronger sun shell. I believe the 4L65E was used in the 03-04 C5s.

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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It's true. I can't name what parts exactly, but the later 4L65E is stronger.
Nope !! There never was a 4L65E installed in a C5 ! All C5s have 4L60E trannies.
The C6 is being sold with the 4L65E or the new 5L80E paddle shift
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch C


The 4L65E has more clutches in the 3-4 clutch pak than the earlier 4L60E. I believe it also has a stronger sun shell. I believe the 4L65E was used in the 03-04 C5s.
The 3-4 shift is a band shift (clutch release), not a clutch shift. I think the only clutch shift is the direct clutch shift in this tranny, which is the 2-3 shift. Band shifts are 1-2 and 3-4.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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Nope !! There never was a 4L65E installed in a C5 ! All C5s have 4L60E trannies.
The C6 is being sold with the 4L65E or the new 5L80E paddle shift
I believe the last few years were sold with the 65.
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I believe the last few years were sold with the 65.
No sir they weren't. All 4L60E in the C5s
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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I thought the last c5's wer rumored to have 4l65 in them....

not sure...dont care,, I have a RPM 4l60 so its a goody
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by David426
I was just wondering if GM had upgraded any internal parts of the 4L60E transmission from 1997 -2004. My dealership service advisor had told me there had been some new upgrades in the later model A4 s. Truth or BS? Just wondering if anyone out in Corvette land had more info.

This quote is from a February, 2003, thread reagarding the 4L65E transmission:
"I was browsing the Gm HP website when I found this info :

24221888 4L65-E Automatic Transmission
GM Hydramatic has baked even more technology enhancements into the automatic transmission line up with the new 4L65E. This transmission, the latest creation from GM Hydramatic Motorsports, is a four speed, offering all the latest heavy duty components to stand up to the power of the LS6-405 HP Corvette engines. Upgrades like induction hardened turbine input shafts, larger intermediate servo, an additional three-four clutch plate. All go toward accommodating higher engine power output. The 4L65E offers optimized performance, fuel economy and increase durability. This sate-of-the-art transmission features the latest heavy duty components and high tech-electronic controls. The advanced electronics controlling the LS6 engine also manages the 4L65E shift points, providing unparalleled performance and durability, P/N 24221888 also includes the torque converter. (No core charge required on this transmission)"

This is the thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...um_id=1&arch=1

It is as I remember it from back then. I believe they became standard issue on the 2003 models.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex D
No sir they weren't. All 4L60E in the C5s
This is correct,trust him.
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Using google, I found a few pages that did mention that 2002+ had 65's. As for the C6, it has a upgraded version of the C5 65.
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Originally Posted by rodney@rpmtransmissions
This is correct,trust him.
I know you have a reputation as a tranny guru, so no argument here, but darn, that just went against everything I have heard, read, and been told! I hadn't heard about another 3-4 clutch, but I had heard that they went to 5 planetary gears, around 2003.

Glad I had mine rebuilt with both 5 planet gears, billet servo, 9 alto reds, and a wider apply band!
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When I had a part of my 02 coupe trani go out a year ago, it was the reactor shell.

The GM service manager told me it was a part they reciently upgraded, guess my 02 coupe didn't get the upgrade.
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Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE...2001
I know you have a reputation as a tranny guru, so no argument here, but darn, that just went against everything I have heard, read, and been told! I hadn't heard about another 3-4 clutch, but I had heard that they went to 5 planetary gears, around 2003.

Glad I had mine rebuilt with both 5 planet gears, billet servo, 9 alto reds, and a wider apply band!
I have read the same information you have but it is incorrect. I have had MANY 04 units apart and they are not 4L65E's (5 pinion planets,7 3/4 clutches). Indeed 05-up C6's do have 4L65E's tag ID 5YZD. When GM introduced the 4l65E's it was used only behind the 6.0 (H2,Denali,SS trucks,etc...)and did introduce a new reaction shaft and sunshell (uses a torrington bearing between the two insted of a thrust washer) 5 pinion planetary gear sets(front and rear) and an extra clutch in the 3/4 pack. Now all 02 up 4l60E's did get the reaction shaft and sunshell but NOT the extra clutch and 5 pinion planatary gear sets.FWIW 04 Ls1 GTO's and SSR's do NOT have a 4L65E but the 05's with a LS2 do have (personally been there even though the ID tag is not the conventional ZD letter code). To answer the original question YES the later units have a few better parts than the early C5's. I would love to reveal ALL of the upgraded parts I use but then.......
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Listen to Rodney - he knows....
That's why I bought a Rodney (RPM) transmission for my C5

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