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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Is is still possible to run a Supercharger with 11.2:1 Compression even at very low boost pressure? I have a Stock bottom end, Lingenfelter Ported Heads, Crane Cam, 90mm Fast Intake, 538 RWHP with 75 hp NOS. I dont want to have to fill the bottle all the damn time and would rather run 4 lbs instead.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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I'm no supercharger expert, but I would think running that much compression would defeat the purpose of supercharging. Mine is 8.5:1. and was lowered for the s/c. I'm sure one of the pro's will let you know whats best or if its worth the expense without lowering the compression.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:32 AM
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That compression sure is high for stock bottom end. What are the specs on those heads? At that compression level you're just wasting your money on a SC with stock internals. Get yoruself some 6.0 Truck heads to lower your compression down. Then it'll be more realistic to start talking forced induction.

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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 08:40 AM
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you must certantly will be pinging.... no one wants to add cam 2 in order to have fun on a true street machine..... and besides to much ping= whole in pistons
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Yes it is possible to run 11.2 to 1 and 4 pounds of boost. The hard part is going to find the right setup to only run 4 pounds of boost.

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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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This C/R is not complimentary to forced induction. At advanced timing, you'll detonate the pistons. Pulling out timing to stop detonation will decrease horsepower levels. Making big horsepower is about the WHOLE combination of mods, not just adding power adders.
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you must certantly will be pinging.... no one wants to add cam 2 in order to have fun on a true street machine..... and besides to much ping= whole in pistons
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We have done it before but of course it's not optimal. ZO6's are not to far behind that and look how well they respond. I would suggest a max of 5-6 lbs of boost and alky injection. The car will make great power and stay together with proper tuning.
But which S/C kit to use.....
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I ran at 11:1 with a P1SC and A&A kit on a stock bottom end and a 4.1 pulley for quite a while with no problems. Car made great power, 575 rwhp and 483rwtq.
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Originally Posted by Shane_S
That compression sure is high for stock bottom end. What are the specs on those heads? At that compression level you're just wasting your money on a SC with stock internals. Get yoruself some 6.0 Truck heads to lower your compression down. Then it'll be more realistic to start talking forced induction.

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I am not sure what the Specs on the Heads are. They are 243 Castings and were ported by lingenfelter. The pervious owner said if there were 5 levels of heads they were Level 5. He said they have the big valves and massive porting. He dint know the specs on the cam (Crane Cam) either, he said on the level 5 scale it would only be a 2 for drivability. The heads and FAST intake were port matched too. I dont know if these are good numbers but With intake, cam, exhaust and Tuning, the car made 450 RWHP and 390 RWTQ. The A/F ratio looks above 13:1. With the NOS it pulled 502 RWHP and 481 RWTQ with the A/F at 11.5:1. It says on the sheets that they were done with Drag Radials. I have a bunch of dyno sheets but there all jibberish to me.
On a Reciept is says "$531 Stage 2 Cam/$1261 ea. Heads Linenfelter Heads Cam Package" So I guess it was a $3000 Lingenfelter Heads Cam Package?

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you must certantly will be pinging.... no one wants to add cam 2 in order to have fun on a true street machine..... and besides to much ping= whole in pistons



let me clarify- to much compression and not enough octane results in knock or pinging, your car will compensate by pulling timing out of the system resulting in a loss in power. your knock sensor will not be able to compensate for a compression ratio that will exceed 13-15:1 under boost. the end result is a blown head gasket and or a hole in the piston.


by adding cam 2 110 mixed with 93 pump gas you will increase your octane to a level to handle the boost with no knock. my point is who wants to spend 7-9 bucks a gallon (ruin 02 sensors) in order to drive a car on the street. people that mix race/street gas always say my car is driven on the street/ sure until they run out of gas then they go home to their 50 gallon cam 2 drum and refil. what these people have is a slow track car not a fast street car.
the cc's of your chambere will determine the compression ratio/ plus if you have a dome piston/ dish or flat top.

hopefully this helps those who needed a better understanding
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Originally Posted by 9secondflat
you must certantly will be pinging.... no one wants to add cam 2 in order to have fun on a true street machine..... and besides to much ping= whole in pistons



let me clarify- to much compression and not enough octane results in knock or pinging, your car will compensate by pulling timing out of the system resulting in a loss in power. your knock sensor will not be able to compensate for a compression ratio that will exceed 13-15:1 under boost. the end result is a blown head gasket and or a hole in the piston.


by adding cam 2 110 mixed with 93 pump gas you will increase your octane to a level to handle the boost with no knock. my point is who wants to spend 7-9 bucks a gallon (ruin 02 sensors) in order to drive a car on the street. people that mix race/street gas always say my car is driven on the street/ sure until they run out of gas then they go home to their 50 gallon cam 2 drum and refil. what these people have is a slow track car not a fast street car.
the cc's of your chambere will determine the compression ratio/ plus if you have a dome piston/ dish or flat top.

hopefully this helps those who needed a better understanding
I understand the concept of knock and detonation. I just didn't understand what you said. I didn't know "cam 2" was a fuel.

Furthermore, 6 psi is not going to be that big of a problem on 11:1 especially if a quality alky kit is installed.
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