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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW


Hey Randy....Maybe I can help... I build 1 C5 automatic every two weeks....sometimes more....Sure they suck in stock trim....But...Remove the PCM and mail it to me and You will have a really fun car for only afew bucks....even if you do no other mods.

If you wanna get more out of it after the computer tune, I ALWAYS use the VARARAM...Borla Stingers w/x-pipe, PRO TORQUE 24-2700 converter with cooler....and I use 3.90's in the rear end...ALWAYS...They are perfect for a street car....Your automatic will blow away C5 ZO6's all day long.....AND you'll be glad you bought an automatic.....

Guys come to me all the time sayin..."I shoulda got a stick"....And when they leave my shop.....they are glad they didn't...

That 4L60E is an awesome trans for a hot street car....Don't sell it short....

Call me if you need and advice or tuning.....

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Humm, you have my attention, what do you do to the stock PCM that makes the car "better" And I mean completly stock
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Humm, you have my attention, what do you do to the stock PCM that makes the car "better" And I mean completly stock

Call me and I can explain better, but EVERY function of the trans is controlled by the pcm and....not only does my shop build these trans's all the time, but....I tune them every day as well....The stock trans wastes hp and torque all over the place and just slips and slides with every upshift and downshift....I eliminate that.....Pluss, that motor can make alot of power, but GM tones it WAY down before the car is delivered to you.....I just turn it back up for you....On a totally stock car....the engine and trans mods I make in the PCM will really surprise you....Most people can't believe what is available if you just tune it properly....

Call me anytime if you need more info.....

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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Call me and I can explain better, but EVERY function of the trans is controlled by the pcm and....not only does my shop build these trans's all the time, but....I tune them every day as well....The stock trans wastes hp and torque all over the place and just slips and slides with every upshift and downshift....I eliminate that.....Pluss, that motor can make alot of power, but GM tones it WAY down before the car is delivered to you.....I just turn it back up for you....On a totally stock car....the engine and trans mods I make in the PCM will really surprise you....Most people can't believe what is available if you just tune it properly....

Call me anytime if you need more info.....

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im interested in a pcm tune for my 97 to pep it up
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gitusum
im interested in a pcm tune for my 97 to pep it up
I'm working late tonight so I can leave for Miami this weekend....Call me tonight at the shop to discuss if you like.....


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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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Spend some big and see mods in Sig. below!!
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 09:04 PM
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After reading everyones input I am glad I made the decision I did. I can't wait to get some modifications done.

Everyone thanks for the help.

You have been officially bitten by the “MOD” bug. Heaven help you!!!!

Thanks,

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 01:18 AM
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I used to worry that I couldn't burn rubber from a stop.

Now I leave traction control on and have had to get sticky Nitto R2 tires so I don't spin the tires every time I take off.......

Love my A4 and I road race too


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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
I used to worry that I couldn't burn rubber from a stop.

Now I leave traction control on and have had to get sticky Nitto R2 tires so I don't spin the tires every time I take off.......

Love my A4 and I road race too


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Nice lookin ride.... I love autos.....Too bad more people didn't....Done right, they are awesome!

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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What gear ratio do you have. I have 3.15 and can smoke em up from a stop no problem
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Nice lookin ride.... I love autos.....Too bad more people didn't....Done right, they are awesome!

Chuck CoW
Thanks !!!!!!

My car does everything and my left foot doesn't get tired in rush hour traffic


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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Are you sure you have the traction control off? My is a bone stock '99 coupe right down to the paper filter, I have 2.73 gears and it'll smoke em off the line big time, on any type of pavement, just by matting the pedal. It'll kick down into first from a 40mph roll and break the rears loose until it shifts into second at 50 mph. Stock run-flat tires. If the traction control is on though, it feels like a total dog.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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Are you sure you have the traction control off? My is a bone stock '99 coupe right down to the paper filter, I have 2.73 gears and it'll smoke em off the line big time, on any type of pavement, just by matting the pedal. It'll kick down into first from a 40mph roll and break the rears loose until it shifts into second at 50 mph. Stock run-flat tires. If the traction control is on though, it feels like a total dog.
And lemme guess....it probably dynos 330 rwhp and 340 rwtq as well and runs hi 12's in the quarter?

My bone stock '04 2.73 geared coupe wouldn't break the runflats loose at any speed, including off the line. And still wouldn't even after such "seat of the pants" improvements as a Corsa exhaust and Blackwing intake.

Either your '99 is a factory freak, or my '04 is a factory dog...who's to say for sure?

Yeah, I know I'm griping....it's just out in what I'd call the "real world" away from this forum, about every Vette owners' ride that's like mine, performs like mine. There are times I wonder just why that is.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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And lemme guess....it probably dynos 330 rwhp and 340 rwtq as well and runs hi 12's in the quarter?

My bone stock '04 2.73 geared coupe wouldn't break the runflats loose at any speed, including off the line. And still wouldn't even after such "seat of the pants" improvements as a Corsa exhaust and Blackwing intake.

Either your '99 is a factory freak, or my '04 is a factory dog...who's to say for sure?

Yeah, I know I'm griping....it's just out in what I'd call the "real world" away from this forum, about every Vette owners' ride that's like mine, performs like mine. There are times I wonder just why that is.
Haven't ever had any car dynoed, and haven't had this one to the strip yet. I do know that when I go to the strip, I win at bracket racing frequently, and have been doing so for about twenty years now. All the driving I have done with the vette so far has been good, cold weather, so I'm sure it won't run the same in the heat of the summer. I bought this car used last November so it may have been tuned or have mods I don't know about, but honestly, it really doesn't do anything or feel any faster than my '98 Firebird Formula felt. The 'bird ran 13.25 at 105.8 with the only mod being a lid. It also had 2.73 gears and would absolutely melt the tires for a long way, often after shifting into second. At the strip, if well-prepped, I could get 1.96 short times on the street radials. I beat many more modified (headers, 4.10 gears, drag radials) Trans-Ams, etc with this car. Both ET and MPH. The cars are great stock if you get all you can out of them and concentrate on driving.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:33 PM
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Don't feel bad my car when stock wouldn't break greasy slicks loose
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DeFormula
Haven't ever had any car dynoed, and haven't had this one to the strip yet. I do know that when I go to the strip, I win at bracket racing frequently, and have been doing so for about twenty years now.
When bracket racing got started, that's when I quit my drag racing. The day I was disqualified for having my car run better than it did, by making a few "adjustments", was the last time I competitively set foot on a drag strip.

When bracket racing was born, that's the same day that "heads up" racing died. But, to each his own, as they say.

All the driving I have done with the vette so far has been good, cold weather, so I'm sure it won't run the same in the heat of the summer.
Ahh, so now the "truth" comes out, (just kidding). Yes I admit that the few times I take my vette out in less than 40 deg weather, I can get quite a bit of "scratch" from those hard old runflats.

But to me and in my ancient way of thinking, that's the same as spinning out on wet or gravel covered pavement and then bragging about how easy it is to spin the tires.

I bought this car used last November so it may have been tuned or have mods I don't know about, but honestly, it really doesn't do anything or feel any faster than my '98 Firebird Formula felt.
Yes indeedy, there is a very good chance that some things are not quite as they seem yet the car still looks and sounds "stock". But that business of spinning the wheels in cold weather, is probably a more accurate assement of why yours does and other owners do not.

Personally, I don't count really cold weather as anything positive, except for turning in good times at the strip and killing off all the gnats, mosquitoes and flies.

The 'bird ran 13.25 at 105.8 with the only mod being a lid. It also had 2.73 gears and would absolutely melt the tires for a long way, often after shifting into second. At the strip, if well-prepped, I could get 1.96 short times on the street radials. I beat many more modified (headers, 4.10 gears, drag radials) Trans-Ams, etc with this car.
I don't doubt that one bit. They are formidable performers. I recall tangling with a supposed stock TA W6 or whatever it was called, with my race-ready 64 Fury....and just barely beat it at the track on a "muscle-car" fun night at Famosa drag strip when I lived in Bakersfield.

I'm glad you took my griping in the spirit in which is was offered and not personally. Thanks
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Don't feel bad my car when stock wouldn't break greasy slicks loose

Slicks are a different matter, but street tires I just don't understand. Both of the 4th gen F-bodies I've owned and this vette, (my first), have had 2.73 gears and all of them just blow the tires away off the line. I've bought all of them used and they all get great mileage. Has every car I've purchased had internal mods? Are they all factory freaks? They all feel like tight, stock convertors. My LTI Formula with 2.73s ran 13.601 at 101.8 with a 1.98 60 ft time, stock, on a cold (34 degrees) day, with the spare and jack removed, air lid removed. 26 PSI rear, 45 PSI front. On a typical 80 degree day it went 13.80s. Everyone told me it was a factory freak.

Or do you think maybe it's me? Do you think it's just possible some folks can get more out of a car than others through practice and experience? Many of the Motown Muscle club will vouch for what I am telling you.
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[I don't doubt that one bit. They are formidable performers. I recall tangling with a supposed stock TA W6 or whatever it was called, with my race-ready 64 Fury....and just barely beat it at the track on a "muscle-car" fun night at Famosa drag strip when I lived in Bakersfield. Quote from Magicdragon

(Sorry I messed up the quote)

I'm glad you took my griping in the spirit in which is was offered and not personally. Thanks [/QUOTE]


Glad to see you're an old Mopar guy. Me too. 70 383 Challenger RT and 73 340 Cuda. And you're right about the cold weather. Somehow I don't believe It will be breaking the rear loose at 40 mph when it's 80 degrees outside.

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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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I should say greasy run-flats then. With a 3.15 rear the car wouldn't spin em.
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Originally Posted by Pewtavert
I should say greasy run-flats then. With a 3.15 rear the car wouldn't spin em.
That's just seems wrong. Are you sure your traction control isn't stuck on?
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