TNT vs NX nitrous kits
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TNT vs NX nitrous kits
Can I get some opinions as to which is better, and why? I am thinking 75-100 shot, regardless of which kit I get. Don't plan on ever going higher, so not worried about upgrade potential. I DO care about which one has the better "safety" equipment (preferrably at a better price!
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
I've been told that NX measures there HP at the crank and that TNT measures it at the rear wheels. So an NX kit (with a 100 shot) would give you 445 or 450 HP at the crank so that would be around 380 RWHP and the TNT kit would give you around 400 RWHP. So the TNT kit gives more power but the way I understand it NX has better solenoids and that they have a lifetime guarantee. And It doesn't matter how much saftey things you have if a solenoid goes your screwed. And I have a NX kit that I may sell it has 2 bottles, a bottle heater and a bottle jacket. I purchased it and am having second thoughts (being a chicken). Hope this helps.
Jerry
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
TNT RULES, RUN ONE OR FOLLOW ONE. :smash: :smash: :smash: 99corvette, Have you ever seen the two noids side by side ? if you have you would not make such a statement :eek:
[Modified by Skeeter1, 5:38 PM 8/20/2001]
[Modified by Skeeter1, 5:38 PM 8/20/2001]
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (Skeeter1)
I have never seen the two side by side thats why I said the way I understand it. I'm just passing on what I've heard. Sorry if I passed on any incorrect information just giving it to you the way I understand it.
Jerry
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
More Nitrous= more HP. All kits perform the same if the same amount of Nitrous is used before the throttle body.
NX is also rated at rear wheels.
Some manufactures resort to marketing to promote there kits. If a kit is rated at 100 RWHP and kit produces 120 RWHP, its called marketing. Fact is to gain the extra 20RWHP the kit uses more Nitrous than the company who has rated there kit at a legit 100RWHP.
I would avoid kits that mount solenoids right in the middle of your engine heat. Solenoid failure is your major concern with N20 Kits.
[Modified by jetskifast, 5:52 PM 8/20/2001]
NX is also rated at rear wheels.
Some manufactures resort to marketing to promote there kits. If a kit is rated at 100 RWHP and kit produces 120 RWHP, its called marketing. Fact is to gain the extra 20RWHP the kit uses more Nitrous than the company who has rated there kit at a legit 100RWHP.
I would avoid kits that mount solenoids right in the middle of your engine heat. Solenoid failure is your major concern with N20 Kits.
[Modified by jetskifast, 5:52 PM 8/20/2001]
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
bb My solenoids have been mounted where they are for almost 2yrs. I live in the heat off Tx. I have 63,000 miles on my car and have not had any problems with my solenoids.So that is a false statment. The rwhp depends on how your car is modded. I started out with bone stock engine and my car made 107rwhp, since I have added a few mods and now it makes 119rwhp. So jetskifast you need to get off this kick your on about the TNT kit. I have ran 142 bottles and no PROBLEMS with SOLENOIDS or anything else in the TNT kit.
Skeeter1 I agree with you. I don't know where they got that Nx solenoids are better. If you mounted them where the TNT solenoids are you would probably have problems. It seems to me in the last 2or 3 wks I have read more post about Nx solenoids sticking open because they can't take the heat from holding them open long enough to win a race.
bb Call Jason at MTI or Nick at ARE and ask them what they think about TNT nitrous kits. Call Nx and ask them what the air/fuel ratio is on the spray and call TNT and ask them. Then decide which one your engine will live the longest with.
"TNT ROCKS"
"RUN ONE OR FOLLOW ONE"
p.s. I LOVE Nx kits.
Skeeter1 I agree with you. I don't know where they got that Nx solenoids are better. If you mounted them where the TNT solenoids are you would probably have problems. It seems to me in the last 2or 3 wks I have read more post about Nx solenoids sticking open because they can't take the heat from holding them open long enough to win a race.
bb Call Jason at MTI or Nick at ARE and ask them what they think about TNT nitrous kits. Call Nx and ask them what the air/fuel ratio is on the spray and call TNT and ask them. Then decide which one your engine will live the longest with.
"TNT ROCKS"
"RUN ONE OR FOLLOW ONE"
p.s. I LOVE Nx kits.
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
I researched for several months between NOS TNT and NX. I called all three and ended on NX after talking with john stewart at john stewarts nitros warehouse. I believe both tnt and nx are comperable. Dont know why the rumors abound that tnt is rwp and nx is not. As jetskifast said it is not correct.
Dont think you can go wrong with either tnt or nx
Dont think you can go wrong with either tnt or nx
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
I just got the TNT kit and should be installing it soon.I checked out both kits and descided on TNT because I wanted something a little different.Both kits do basically the same thing,just in a different manner.The thing about the solenoids on top of the motor is really not an issue.Most people have their NX noids mounted to the right side head.I don't think the temp difference between there,the front of the car,or on top is going to be that far off to make a big difference.I'm in no way knocking NX or NOS.It's all a matter of opinion.Just My Two Cents,For What It's Worth.
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (99 Hardtop)
99 Hardtop
Who makes TNT solenoids? TNT, NX and NOS may be all purchasing solenoids from same manufacture.
Solenoid seals are what fail over time from heat. For a street car under constant heat, why would you mount solenoids in the heat? And risk solenoid seal failure?
Instead of being a TNT salesman, you should not misinform forum members about the dangers of heat with N20 solenoids. Solenoid failure is the major reason for blown motors using N20.
Also please post how one manufacture of nitrous kits. Using same amount of nitrous sprayed, at same pressure before throttle body, can out perform another? More nitrous=more HP period. All name brand Nitrous kits will perform the same, under same conditions and setup.
142 bottles in less than two years, over three per week? You have been posting 142 bottles used for some time here and on http://www.ls1.com have you stopped using your Nitrous?
[Modified by jetskifast, 8:31 PM 8/20/2001]
Who makes TNT solenoids? TNT, NX and NOS may be all purchasing solenoids from same manufacture.
Solenoid seals are what fail over time from heat. For a street car under constant heat, why would you mount solenoids in the heat? And risk solenoid seal failure?
Instead of being a TNT salesman, you should not misinform forum members about the dangers of heat with N20 solenoids. Solenoid failure is the major reason for blown motors using N20.
Also please post how one manufacture of nitrous kits. Using same amount of nitrous sprayed, at same pressure before throttle body, can out perform another? More nitrous=more HP period. All name brand Nitrous kits will perform the same, under same conditions and setup.
142 bottles in less than two years, over three per week? You have been posting 142 bottles used for some time here and on http://www.ls1.com have you stopped using your Nitrous?
[Modified by jetskifast, 8:31 PM 8/20/2001]
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (99 Hardtop)
bb Call Jason at MTI or Nick at ARE and ask them what they think about TNT nitrous kits. Call Nx and ask them what the air/fuel ratio is on the spray and call TNT and ask them. Then decide which one your engine will live the longest with.
Joe
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (jetskifast)
jetski, you must also take into account the way the n20/fuel is amorized, this is where TNT's system is better :D . but the bottom line and the reason we use nitrous is, put 2 stock c-5's at the line one with TNT the other with NX, both jetted @ 100 per and the NX driver will see taillights :smash: :smash: :smash:
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (jetskifast)
jetskifast I have not been using my nitrous because I have had slave cyclinder problems. I am taking my car to MTI tomorrow to get fixed. Then you will see more bottles run there my car. I am not working for TNT. I have not seen one post that said that TNT solenoids have failed because of where they are mounted. You are the one that keeps bringing that up. Informing forum members not to use TNT because of where the solenoids are mounted and they have false advertisment about thier kits. That is fine that you mount your solenoids where you do. The fact is solenoid seals or seats as commonly called are made of virgin teflon which just happens to be the same material that performance valve seals are made of. 220 to 240 degree oil stays on top of them without any problems. Where solenoids are mounted is not an issue as far as I can see. 90 to 95 percent of all nitrous engine failure is due to trash hanging open solenoid because the nitrous systems where being sold without nitrous filters. When I was calling around talking to different nitrous Co. the filter was an option, you did not get one with kit unless you ask for it and it was more money. Since TNT included thiers with kit the other manufactures have been doing the same. TNT would not sell a kit without filter.
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
Geez, seems like some of us could use a lil shot of nitrous to cool our jets :jester :lol: :yesnod: :boxing I have the NX because I never heard of TNT and I hate ZEX and someone told me that using the wet system is better than using dry on pushrod motors. So far I have ran 8 bottles and my nitrous solenoid is mount on top of the right valve cover. I also wrapped the solenoid with high temp tape. So far, knock on wood, I haven't had any problems. :smash: Now, anyone for some beer? :cheers:
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (Skeeter1)
Skeeter1
Could you explain how TNT amorized N20/Fuel better than other kits? I have heard this from other TNT owners, but none could explain how it is done.
Wet kits have fuel and N20 jets pointed right at throttle body opening. Once fuel and N20 hit throttle body it does not matter how it got there, you have intake manifold to mix things up. All that matters is how much N20 is there. More N20=More HP.
99Hardtop
Reread my posts. I have never said not to use TNT kits or have I pushed any brand of N20 kits. Common sense tells you over the long run you may run into heat problems with solenoids mounted in hot spots. By the way I know of a few people who have had heat failure.
[Modified by jetskifast, 10:48 PM 8/20/2001]
Could you explain how TNT amorized N20/Fuel better than other kits? I have heard this from other TNT owners, but none could explain how it is done.
Wet kits have fuel and N20 jets pointed right at throttle body opening. Once fuel and N20 hit throttle body it does not matter how it got there, you have intake manifold to mix things up. All that matters is how much N20 is there. More N20=More HP.
99Hardtop
Reread my posts. I have never said not to use TNT kits or have I pushed any brand of N20 kits. Common sense tells you over the long run you may run into heat problems with solenoids mounted in hot spots. By the way I know of a few people who have had heat failure.
[Modified by jetskifast, 10:48 PM 8/20/2001]
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (jetskifast)
Everyone, thanks for all the great information! I don't want this to turn into a flame war :boxing, just an information gathering point. I am sure that a lot of questions are getting answered here, for a lot of curious people such as myself.
All the responses bring up a couple more questions:
1. If Solenoid failure is the greatest risk with most nitrous setups, what is the solution to keep the heat off of them? Is it to do what hrdtopv8 did and heat wrap them, is it to strategically mount them in a cool area, some combination of both, etc.?? Or, is it enough to simply make sure you nitrous filter is kept nice and clean??
2. Just out of curiousity - which system do the big boys like SW use?
Thanks again!
All the responses bring up a couple more questions:
1. If Solenoid failure is the greatest risk with most nitrous setups, what is the solution to keep the heat off of them? Is it to do what hrdtopv8 did and heat wrap them, is it to strategically mount them in a cool area, some combination of both, etc.?? Or, is it enough to simply make sure you nitrous filter is kept nice and clean??
2. Just out of curiousity - which system do the big boys like SW use?
Thanks again!
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From: Tyler, Tx. U.S.A.
Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (bb)
SW is running "TNT" the fastest LS1 which is built by ARE has none other than "TNT"
"RUN ONE OR FOLLOW ONE"
Jetskifast do you remember the post not long ago where I ask you to get NOS,Nx,Nitrous Works,TNT nozzles put the same jets the same pressure and see the diffferance in the spray? I guess not because you still say it does not make any differance as long as it is sprayed before the TB. "WRONG" NOS,Nx and other manufactures said "QUOTE" " You can not put a wet nitrous kit on a LS1 because the fuel will puddle in the LS1 intake and blow your engine up." TNT came out with the wet kit for the LS1 and now everyone has a wet kit. You say it does not matter how you get the nitrous and fuel to the TB and the intake mixes the together. I guess you can take a fuel line and nitrous line and put them together with jets, and you don't need a nozzle to make a spray pattern. You can shot a stream of nitrous and fuel out of the jets straight through the TB and it will work ok. Explain that one. All this time the nitrous companies have been wasting thier time making nozzles with spray Patterns to help adamize the fuel and nitrous in the engines. WOW thats news to me.
"RUN ONE OR FOLLOW ONE"
Jetskifast do you remember the post not long ago where I ask you to get NOS,Nx,Nitrous Works,TNT nozzles put the same jets the same pressure and see the diffferance in the spray? I guess not because you still say it does not make any differance as long as it is sprayed before the TB. "WRONG" NOS,Nx and other manufactures said "QUOTE" " You can not put a wet nitrous kit on a LS1 because the fuel will puddle in the LS1 intake and blow your engine up." TNT came out with the wet kit for the LS1 and now everyone has a wet kit. You say it does not matter how you get the nitrous and fuel to the TB and the intake mixes the together. I guess you can take a fuel line and nitrous line and put them together with jets, and you don't need a nozzle to make a spray pattern. You can shot a stream of nitrous and fuel out of the jets straight through the TB and it will work ok. Explain that one. All this time the nitrous companies have been wasting thier time making nozzles with spray Patterns to help adamize the fuel and nitrous in the engines. WOW thats news to me.
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Re: TNT vs NX nitrous kits (jetskifast)
jetskifast :
I had my system installed, finally. I went to MMS. I just didn't have the time or the patience to do it myself. But thank you for all the help you had given me.
The "TWIN" Gemini system is awsome, lots of gas injected into the system. You can see by the images, there are 2 ports, not one.
This produces a well balanced shot, at least in my view. Also, the "Maximizer" is a good investment. The delayed introduction of NOS, starts at 40% and goes to 100% in 4 seconds (defalt values) is really great for racing, minimum wheel spin, and a safer ride. I feel the ET's will be better as well, although I need to get to the drag strip to test it.
I really like the results. :D It is extremly fast as I am sure you are well aware. :smash:
Thanks again for you assitance! :yesnod:
Bruce1
Check the Dyno...with and without the NOS....!
Oh Yea........
2 (double) twin gemini ports
Look familiar???The Hook up is just like yours!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
[Modified by bruce1, 11:09 PM 8/20/2001]
[Modified by bruce1, 11:10 PM 8/20/2001]
I had my system installed, finally. I went to MMS. I just didn't have the time or the patience to do it myself. But thank you for all the help you had given me.
The "TWIN" Gemini system is awsome, lots of gas injected into the system. You can see by the images, there are 2 ports, not one.
This produces a well balanced shot, at least in my view. Also, the "Maximizer" is a good investment. The delayed introduction of NOS, starts at 40% and goes to 100% in 4 seconds (defalt values) is really great for racing, minimum wheel spin, and a safer ride. I feel the ET's will be better as well, although I need to get to the drag strip to test it.
I really like the results. :D It is extremly fast as I am sure you are well aware. :smash:
Thanks again for you assitance! :yesnod:
Bruce1
Check the Dyno...with and without the NOS....!
Oh Yea........
2 (double) twin gemini ports
Look familiar???The Hook up is just like yours!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
[Modified by bruce1, 11:09 PM 8/20/2001]
[Modified by bruce1, 11:10 PM 8/20/2001]