popping noise?
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this is it i think. if i let off the clutch fast or hit the brakes hard, sounds like exhaust pipe hittin the diff or underneath of the car. i just retightened everything and still does it. im ready to take a bat to the car. anyone have a picture of this axle nut?????????
When I had this happen to me all I did the first time was torque down the axle nut to the specified 125 ft-lbs. The problem didn't go away. About a month later when I managed to work on it again, I backed off the axle nut, sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 and torqued to 12 ft-lbs. Problem solved.
When I had this happen to me all I did the first time was torque down the axle nut to the specified 125 ft-lbs. The problem didn't go away. About a month later when I managed to work on it again, I backed off the axle nut, sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 and torqued to 12 ft-lbs. Problem solved.
this is it i think. if i let off the clutch fast or hit the brakes hard, sounds like exhaust pipe hittin the diff or underneath of the car. i just retightened everything and still does it. im ready to take a bat to the car. anyone have a picture of this axle nut?????????
TO dbirdZ06, did you really mean that you just torqued the axle nut to 12 ft. lbs. or did you mean to say 125 ft lbs???
Last edited by TEXHAWK0; Aug 2, 2006 at 08:22 PM.
When I had this happen to me all I did the first time was torque down the axle nut to the specified 125 ft-lbs. The problem didn't go away. About a month later when I managed to work on it again, I backed off the axle nut, sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 and torqued to 12 ft-lbs. Problem solved.
I've seen a couple folks mention undertorqueing the nut to solve this problem. There a 2 types of bearings; one relies on the nut being torqued to properly preload the bearing, and the other is a preloaded
design which does not rely on the nut torque. Anyone know which we have? Undertorqueing the nut would be a bad thing if we don't have preloaded bearings.
Also, torqueing the nut on an oiled thread greatly increases the tension created as compared to a dry thread. Again, if our bearings rely on the nut to properly tension them, it will be impossible to properly preload the bearing if we oil the thread. So hopefully we have preloaded bearings.
While many of the forum members have discovered lubrication to cure the popping problem, I think the root cause of the problem is misunderstood, and this is why some of the cures have not been totally effective.
On a new car, there is very little lash between the joint and hub splines so there can be no relative motion between the joint and the mating parts (hub and bearing). If the splines deform a bit over time there is potential for this motion and only the torque of the nut is preventing it. So what happens is that, on torque reversal, we overcome the friction on mating surfaces and the splines "pop" as they take up the lash.
So lubricating the splines doesn't really help. The issue is the mating surfaces which are doing what's called stick/slip. If I had this problem, I would lube the face of the nut and the face of the joint which contacts the bearing. This eliminates the "stick" part of stick/slip and the pop should disappear.
This is a well know problem in the industry and is why some car manufacturers use a helical spline on the joint so there is a press fit with the hub. This eliminates the lash but makes removing the halfshaft much more difficult.

I've seen a couple folks mention undertorqueing the nut to solve this problem. There a 2 types of bearings; one relies on the nut being torqued to properly preload the bearing, and the other is a preloaded
design which does not rely on the nut torque. Anyone know which we have? Undertorqueing the nut would be a bad thing if we don't have preloaded bearings.
Also, torqueing the nut on an oiled thread greatly increases the tension created as compared to a dry thread. Again, if our bearings rely on the nut to properly tension them, it will be impossible to properly preload the bearing if we oil the thread. So hopefully we have preloaded bearings.
While many of the forum members have discovered lubrication to cure the popping problem, I think the root cause of the problem is misunderstood, and this is why some of the cures have not been totally effective.
On a new car, there is very little lash between the joint and hub splines so there can be no relative motion between the joint and the mating parts (hub and bearing). If the splines deform a bit over time there is potential for this motion and only the torque of the nut is preventing it. So what happens is that, on torque reversal, we overcome the friction on mating surfaces and the splines "pop" as they take up the lash.
So lubricating the splines doesn't really help. The issue is the mating surfaces which are doing what's called stick/slip. If I had this problem, I would lube the face of the nut and the face of the joint which contacts the bearing. This eliminates the "stick" part of stick/slip and the pop should disappear.
This is a well know problem in the industry and is why some car manufacturers use a helical spline on the joint so there is a press fit with the hub. This eliminates the lash but makes removing the halfshaft much more difficult.
Also, I think it is important to get the correct torque on the axle nut, and as you mentioned, lubricated threads can greatly affect torque. I made sure to clean the threads on the axle and nut with solvent before torquing the nut back to 118 ft-lbs. The last time I talked to my mechanic at the dealership, he mentioned that the bearing does rely on the axle nut to load the bearing.
I have the crack/pop sound when you ease the clutch out in 1st or reverse !!!
When I had this happen to me all I did the first time was torque down the axle nut to the specified 125 ft-lbs. The problem didn't go away. About a month later when I managed to work on it again, I backed off the axle nut, sprayed a generous amount of WD-40 and torqued to 12 ft-lbs. Problem solved.







Sorry, was trying to mix humor with assistance.

the dealer fixed it for free




