Need Help$$ Degreeing my cam!!
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Need Help$$ Degreeing my cam!!
Good morning all,
I need to see if there is anyone in Houston, TX area that would be willing to come over and help me degree my cam. I am planning on tearing my car down in the next couple weeks to get this done. I can purchase the degreeing wheel kit if need be but I still have no idea of how to get it done. I am willing to pay to get it done. Shoot me a PM and I will get in contact with you and we can arrange something. As always, thank each of you for all your help and time!!
Respectfully,
J.R. Thomas
I need to see if there is anyone in Houston, TX area that would be willing to come over and help me degree my cam. I am planning on tearing my car down in the next couple weeks to get this done. I can purchase the degreeing wheel kit if need be but I still have no idea of how to get it done. I am willing to pay to get it done. Shoot me a PM and I will get in contact with you and we can arrange something. As always, thank each of you for all your help and time!!
Respectfully,
J.R. Thomas
Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08
you don't need any degreeing wheel. All you have to do is line up the dots. There is one on the cam gear and one on the crank gear. line up the two and you are done.
If you bought an aftermarket timing chain with advance on the crank gear, just set it to zero. Change the timing in the PCM.
If you bought an aftermarket timing chain with advance on the crank gear, just set it to zero. Change the timing in the PCM.
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From: Rapid City SD
But how far do you go? If you buy a set of heads, to you measure the valves, check the tension spring on the springs, etc? It's another hondo for a good cam degree kit. So if you can't trust your cam supplier, perhaps you should change to another brand.
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I am running a 228/232 588/592 110+1 custom grind comp cam with XER Lobes. The gentleman who suggested this cam said I should set it up at 109 intake centerline, which I didn't do. My torque numbers were lower than expected.
Another member of LS1tech runs the same set-up as mine and he showed me his dyno numbers at dot-to-dot and after degreeing, picked up 32rwtq. That is huge and will put me right were this package should have been.
I just want to make sure I KNOW I have all that I can get out of this set-up before I get a stroker.
Thanks again for your help!!
J.R. Thomas
Another member of LS1tech runs the same set-up as mine and he showed me his dyno numbers at dot-to-dot and after degreeing, picked up 32rwtq. That is huge and will put me right were this package should have been.
I just want to make sure I KNOW I have all that I can get out of this set-up before I get a stroker.
Thanks again for your help!!
J.R. Thomas
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From: Paducah Ky
Originally Posted by ridered007
Another member of LS1tech runs the same set-up as mine and he showed me his dyno numbers at dot-to-dot and after degreeing, picked up 32rwtq. That is huge and will put me right were this package should have been.
I just want to make sure I KNOW I have all that I can get out of this set-up before I get a stroker.
Thanks again for your help!!
J.R. Thomas
That would probably be me. Degreeing made a huge difference in my total torque and power under the curve. Your not the first one I've read about being disappointed in their final numbers installing dot to dot, myself included. Listen to any of the cam guru's and they'll all tell you degreeing is a must. Dot to dot is a crap shoot! I went from this,
to this 
. I hated spending the extra money to get it done, but now I know it's doing what it's supposed to and I like it a helluva lot better. You will to.
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From: West of the Sabine, Texas
Originally Posted by ridered007
I am running a 228/232 588/592 110+1 custom grind comp cam with XER Lobes. The gentleman who suggested this cam said I should set it up at 109 intake centerline, which I didn't do. My torque numbers were lower than expected.
Another member of LS1tech runs the same set-up as mine and he showed me his dyno numbers at dot-to-dot and after degreeing, picked up 32rwtq. That is huge and will put me right were this package should have been.
I just want to make sure I KNOW I have all that I can get out of this set-up before I get a stroker.
Thanks again for your help!!
J.R. Thomas
Another member of LS1tech runs the same set-up as mine and he showed me his dyno numbers at dot-to-dot and after degreeing, picked up 32rwtq. That is huge and will put me right were this package should have been.
I just want to make sure I KNOW I have all that I can get out of this set-up before I get a stroker.
Thanks again for your help!!
J.R. Thomas
Burning Brakes
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From: Windsor ON
Most H&C packages I see here are not degreed including mine. If my cam doesn't peak where it's supposed to then I will go back and do it but I see very few people who get misground cams, so I took the chance. I do think it's a good idea if you know what you're doing. I wonder what % of H&C packages are degreed at our supporting tuners?
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If you want to correctly install your cam then degree it.
Correct install eliminates error - have you looked at the slop in timing chains??
Valve timing is Not Ignition Timing. You change ignition timing in the PCM.
Valve timing can be advanced or retarded by advancing or retarding the cam (valve events are ground into the cam - unchangable).
FWIW.
Correct install eliminates error - have you looked at the slop in timing chains??
Valve timing is Not Ignition Timing. You change ignition timing in the PCM.
Valve timing can be advanced or retarded by advancing or retarding the cam (valve events are ground into the cam - unchangable).
FWIW.
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Originally Posted by cjs27410
It’s all about eliminating the variables!!
Exactly!!Worry about gaining the last 1/4 hp on the Dyno, eliminating a few ounces of car weight and then throw in the heart of the engine.
If I was worried about HP I'd buy an adjustable timing set to make sure I had the setup I wanted.
( I have a Cloyes Hex-adjust Timing set...not cheap but it does easily allow adjustment.)
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From: Windsor ON
Originally Posted by Bink
Exactly!!Worry about gaining the last 1/4 hp on the Dyno, eliminating a few ounces of car weight and then throw in the heart of the engine.
If I was worried about HP I'd buy an adjustable timing set to make sure I had the setup I wanted.
( I have a Cloyes Hex-adjust Timing set...not cheap but it does easily allow adjustment.)
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From: Cape Coral FL
Originally Posted by 97 SC Cobra
When you checked, was your cam misground?
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From: Windsor ON
I was under the impression that you could only adjust in 2* increments, is this true? Again, I agree it's a good idea but not necessary unless your cam is not performing as it should. I would like to know how many of our high hp H&C guys from A&A, Cartek and LG are degreed in or dot to dot? When I bought my F-13 from Futral Racing(not a sponsor here) but well known and respected in the LS1 community I asked:
How I should install it?
Line it up dot to dot, was the response.
What about the timing chain?
How many miles on it?
About 20k
I wouldn't worry about the chain.
If you have the tools, the ability and a few extra bucks, by all means degree it in. If not, in all liklehood you'll be fine with dot to dot. That's my take on it but I am by no means a mechanic.
How I should install it?
Line it up dot to dot, was the response.
What about the timing chain?
How many miles on it?
About 20k
I wouldn't worry about the chain.
If you have the tools, the ability and a few extra bucks, by all means degree it in. If not, in all liklehood you'll be fine with dot to dot. That's my take on it but I am by no means a mechanic.
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I read the How-To Degree a cam from GMHP and damn............it looks like it would be pretty confusing for someone that has never done this before. Here is the link for anyone who is interested.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=10
Tearing down everything has become so easy it doesn't make since to pay a shop $1000 to tear it down and degree the cam. I just need someone to help me for 1hour. Will pay well for your services.
Come on now!!
Thanks,
J.R. Thomas
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=10
Tearing down everything has become so easy it doesn't make since to pay a shop $1000 to tear it down and degree the cam. I just need someone to help me for 1hour. Will pay well for your services.
Come on now!!
Thanks,
J.R. Thomas
