I swear, some of you guys are mental. I could give a rats butt about SW this and SW that. This is a congtatulations post to the SAM team and their accomplishments. They are hands down a class act and deserve recognition without some jackass throwing in his useless .02 (kewlbrez). Take nothing away from SW and his acomplishments but save your comments for a seperat comparison post.

Tom

 

Couldn't have said it better myself! There is a post for SW's accomplishments and this is a post to congratulate the SAM crew.
BTW, SW's 60' was not 1.4 to the best of my knowledge, it was 1.5x. That is a pretty big move!

Again, Congrats to SAM and Judson. You have definitly raised the bar! Kinda makes me want to go back to school. :conehead

 

One more reason to be proud to be a Texan :D

 

Great, now your best effort is to call me a jackass? I congratulated, then I asked legitamte questions, and made a comparison to one of quickest LS1 out there (a C5, that happens to be owned by SW). I mean come on, are you telling me the reason this was posted on a corvette forum, was not appear to be out doing to "corvette" guys? I mean come on....

And if I am not mistaken, there has allready been a GM owned yellow LS1 camaro that has allready been in the 9's NA, a long time ago. Granted, it was set up as a drag car, but it was in fact LS1 powered.



[Modified by kewlbrz, 9:36 PM 9/27/2001]

 

What's up with the name calling? :rolleyes:
kewlbrez has provided alot of good information to this forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.



[Modified by TargaC5, 9:58 PM 9/27/2001]

 

Both cars are cool, but I believe SW was running a 200 shot... Big difference.., right?

 

SW says his car was on a 135 shot when he went 9.98 and if he says so that's good enough for me.

The SAM car went 9.97 on MOTOR!!! :eek:
Get it guys .... MOTOR!!! Do you have any idea what this thing would do on a 135 shot??? Bottom 9's and a huge MPH!!! You can not compare this car and SW's car for many reasons.

This was simply a congratulations to Jud and the SAM crew for an incredible accomplishment. In no way was it to say that the F-body is a better car, I OWN A C5 FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!! :mad

I still stand by my statement that gas to gas this car would crush SW. Total bench racing but hey facts are facts. The SAM SS runs door to door with SW on a 200 shot, no reason to believe it wouldn't crush the C5 if the SS were on a 200 shot. Even if they just sprayed it in 3rd gear, it would walk off and leave the C5.

 

SW says his car was on a 135 shot when he went 9.98 and if he says so that's good enough for me.
The SAM car went 9.97 on MOTOR!!!
Get it guys .... MOTOR!!! Do you have any idea what this thing would do on a 135 shot??? Bottom 9's and a huge MPH!!! You can not compare this car and SW's car for many reasons.

This was simply a congratulations to Jud and the SAM crew for an incredible accomplishment. In no way was it to say that the F-body is a better car, I OWN A C5 FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

I still stand by my statement that gas to gas this car would crush SW. Total bench racing but hey facts are facts. The SAM SS runs door to door with SW on a 200 shot, no reason to believe it wouldn't crush the C5 if the SS were on a 200 shot. Even if they just sprayed it in 3rd gear, it would walk off and leave the C5.
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Torch Red C-5 with some mods!



I agree, the SAM's car is fast. And in a drag race it would(should) beat my C5. But like I said before, two different cars. Put a IRS rear end and a stock 6sp in it and see how fast it is. As you aware, a good launch is everything in the quarter. Also, on the 135 shot I did run 145.3 mph. I would love to run it from a roll motor on motor from 50 to.......and we'll see who crushes who.

SW

 

SW,
No offense, but I still think the SAM camaro would get you from a roll motor to motor.
You are trying t keep the comparison on level palying fields saying that the Camaro has a solid axle, set up for drag racing, etc. but the fact is the playing fields are not level for the the reason that you are using a power adder (nitrous).

I completely agree with SW and most others on this...these cars are not to be compared. There is no point to it. This post was nothing more than a tribute to the baddest LS1 motor in existence at this time, nothing more.

Back to the topic.
Congrats Judson and crew. The bar has been raised!

 

SW,
No offense, but I still think the SAM camaro would get you from a roll motor to motor.
You are trying t keep the comparison on level palying fields saying that the Camaro has a solid axle, set up for drag racing, etc. but the fact is the playing fields are not level for the the reason that you are using a power adder (nitrous).

I did say I would run motor to motor from a roll. That would be interesting. :D

SW

 

713-683-3817 Judson is the one you will want to talk to. Don't know if he would be interested or not, but you might give it a try. ;)

 

Im still confused. Are you implying that this is the first LS1 based motor to go under 10 seconds naturally aspirated?

I understand Al Cordova and the GM owned yellow LS1 camaro went 9's naturally aspirated a long time ago.

 

kewlbrz, sorry about the name calling, we all love you man, don't like that guy get to ya!

 

Thanks Edward. Its all good. :cheers:

We are all gear heads here, and emotions fly at times, especially in these times. :flag


[Modified by kewlbrz, 3:04 PM 9/28/2001]

 

I hear the SAM car isn't very streetable, but I'm not sure exactly what that means... Would be nice to see a mod list breakdown. Also it'd be cool to see the race weight of each. The weight might explain a lot.

Is SAM's a solid roller? SW's? What's the main difference?

 

From the first page SAMs car:

SW is also solid roller. Not sure how the cams compare though. I don’t know his exact CR, but I’m gonna assume it’s not more than ~11.5:1 since he mentioned the car can run on pump gas…
As far as weight I read SAMs car race weight was 3370 lbs, so it’s gotta be about same as SW, I suppose. Of course to get an F-body to that weight you’d have to gut the crap out of it (especially considering it’s got rollcage, 9”, etc..)

So, basically, judging by the trap speeds SAMs car makes just a bit more power on motor (mostly due to higher CR I suppose, maybe bigger cam [8000rpm redline and all]).
Obviously it’s setup for drag (4.30 gears, 9”, 28” slicks, most likely drag suspension), so ET differences are much more pronounced…

 

SW

Your mph is awesome and I agree that motor to motor from a roll it would be a good run. The SAM car would be gear limited and your top speed would be hard to beat.

My example was the SAM car on gas against your very impressive C5 ias it sits in a 1/4 mile race would/should go easily to the Camaro.

Please understand that I'm not trying to take anything away from your successes with your C5. I totally respect and admire what you have done with that car. It's really quite amazing. Running the stock tranny and IRS is without a doubt a huge disadvantage.

 

Thanks! Also, Camaros have less Drivetrain loss too I think.

 

""It may be a small block chevy, but at this point, its a far cry from an LS1.""

It is a sleeved LS1 stock block with stock ported LS6 heads and a stock LS6 manifold with a stock throttle body and another stock GM MAF with commercially available headers. It's no different from anything that ARE or MTI does except it's just faster. We even use the stock GM head bolts!

The car is raced in NMCA competition so of course it's setup for drag racing. The stock chevy drivetrain stuff doesn't hold up to nine second manual transmission passes very well so it's got a road race Jerico trans with a real clutch and it works and doesn't blow up anymore. We have to make rounds in competition continuously not one run wonders so the driveline is overbuilt. The trans is not that expensive and is in fact cheaper than a built auto and converter. You can upshift and downshift just like any other trans with the Jerico. That night the computer was acting up a bit and Jud said the car was pulling all the way through the lights so I am sure we'll see more like almost 140 later in cooler weather.

SW's vette is a completely different animal being still a true street car and having IRS. I don't think anyone expects it to run the same from a standing start drag race since the car isn't setup for that and our car is. I used to autocross at SPOKES events in Austin a lot and I know EVERYONE loved to watch SW pimp his baaad aasss C4 vette at Heritage center and other places. Seeing a 600+ hp vette go around an entire course sideways with the tires smoking is something everyone should see at least once! I think SW used to get like top time of the day at almost every event in that car back then even including lots of real race cars! I know people who's whole lives changed just by watching SW make a few of those runs. They would never be the same after that.

 

This page is now updated with all the info on the SAM SS for any of your LS1/6 engine guys. :chevy

http://www.samracing.com/99camaro.htm



[Modified by RACER7088, 3:11 AM 10/2/2001]