Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It?
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From: BELVEDRE KENT
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Jim 47)
As soon as I got home last night I tried pressing the AH button on my May '98 A4 C5 - FANTASTIC! it went into 'Competitive Mode' which was displayed on the DIC.
I checked my '98 drivers manual and all I could find was a topic on 2-23 about competitive track driving and to contact your dealer regarding this. Anyway I'm glad I have this as a UK fellow C5 coleague appears not to have this feature?
Thanks again for everybodies comments.
Lester Bird :cheers:
I checked my '98 drivers manual and all I could find was a topic on 2-23 about competitive track driving and to contact your dealer regarding this. Anyway I'm glad I have this as a UK fellow C5 coleague appears not to have this feature?
Thanks again for everybodies comments.
Lester Bird :cheers:
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Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It?
If the car is stopped, and i push the button and drive off in 2 seconds, holding the button, will it get Comp Mode?
If i replace the button with a toggle switch, can i leave it in Comp. Mode all the time?(same effect as holding the button down permanantly)
(i am looking to buy a C5 soon, 61 getting tired) thanks :cheers:
If i replace the button with a toggle switch, can i leave it in Comp. Mode all the time?(same effect as holding the button down permanantly)
(i am looking to buy a C5 soon, 61 getting tired) thanks :cheers:
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Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Mike Schriber)
I don't remember Active Handling ever retarding the throttle. As far as I know, it only works with the ABS system to brake the wheels.
Mike :flag
Mike :flag
Ed
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Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (drives61)
Nope. You cannot be moving when the five seconds are up. If you install a toggle switch, the BCM will generate an error code after the circuit is held low for over sixty seconds.
The TracActive does all this for you!
As for the power braking, why would you do it anyway? Just curious.
Mike :flag
The TracActive does all this for you!
As for the power braking, why would you do it anyway? Just curious.
Mike :flag
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From: Monticello MN
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Mike Schriber)
As for the power braking, why would you do it anyway? Just curious.
Mike :flag
Mike :flag
By the way, I think you've got a great product there that covers use of the car about 991/2% of the time. This is just a quirk in the Generation I cars vs Generation II. As I said, just a "factoid".:)
Ed
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From: BELVEDRE KENT
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (C5XTASY)
Ed
I just read your post regarding powerbraking. I'm confused again now!! What is the difference between AH button left on, AH button turned off (disengaged) and competitive mode (AH button pressed for 5 secs). It seems from what you're saying that Competitive Mode on a '98 C5 (generation I AH) leaves active handling (braking)-on plus traction control (power to rear wheels)-on. If that is correct? then whats the difference between the AH button left on and competitive mode. If I'm being really stupid be gentle with me and please explain again.
Thanks
Lester Bird - UK
I just read your post regarding powerbraking. I'm confused again now!! What is the difference between AH button left on, AH button turned off (disengaged) and competitive mode (AH button pressed for 5 secs). It seems from what you're saying that Competitive Mode on a '98 C5 (generation I AH) leaves active handling (braking)-on plus traction control (power to rear wheels)-on. If that is correct? then whats the difference between the AH button left on and competitive mode. If I'm being really stupid be gentle with me and please explain again.
Thanks
Lester Bird - UK
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From: Monticello MN
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (lesterbird)
You're not being stupid at all. This is an anomaly I discovered while messing around with my car. Competitive Driving does turn off Traction Control but leaves Active Handling engaged. However, if you attempt to powerbrake on a Generation I car, in Competitive Driving, the further you depress the accelerator the further DOWN engine power goes. One would think that Traction Control was still engaged, wouldn't you? However, it is not. When you burn out from a standing start in Competitive Driving, without powerbraking, the tires just smoke and if the car starts going sideways, Active Handling will engage, but not Traction Control. I speak from experience.:D This anomaly occurs on Generation I Active Handling cars (late 1998-2000) only. Generation II Active Handling cars can power brake in Competitive Driving. If you wish to power brake a Generation I car, both Traction Control AND Active Handling must be turned off.
Ed
Ed
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From: Monticello MN
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Nekbyter)
Can a 99-00 with AH be modified somehow so that the car does not have to be stopped in order to change into competition mode?
Ed
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From: BELVEDRE KENT
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (C5XTASY)
Ed
Thanks for your comments. Up until now I have been driving my '98 C5 A4(when conditions are ok) with the AH disengaged - I found the car to be alot more responsive and fun but clearly more dangerous. With this newly discovered (for me) Competitive Driving Mode I should get the best of both worlds.
Regards
Lester
Thanks for your comments. Up until now I have been driving my '98 C5 A4(when conditions are ok) with the AH disengaged - I found the car to be alot more responsive and fun but clearly more dangerous. With this newly discovered (for me) Competitive Driving Mode I should get the best of both worlds.
Regards
Lester
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From: San Diego CA
Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Nekbyter)
It seems it's a big deal to change this code for some unknown reason.
Remember, the LapTrax TracActive Controller puts the car into Competition Mode automatically! Even if you have a '99 or '00, by the time you're settled and ready to drive off, the car is already set.
It's almost the same as changing the PCM to have Competition Mode as the default.
Mike :flag
Remember, the LapTrax TracActive Controller puts the car into Competition Mode automatically! Even if you have a '99 or '00, by the time you're settled and ready to drive off, the car is already set.
It's almost the same as changing the PCM to have Competition Mode as the default.
Mike :flag
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Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Ha-Ha)
According to the Bragg-Smith instructors last week when I was there for the level II course the Competitive mode will not only turn off the traction control but backs off the programmed settings when the Gen II system (01 & 02) activates to try to control your direction. I tried lapping in the normal modes, competitive mode, and skip pad with the system turned off. This was in a 01 car BTW. In the 'normal' mode the system controls your wheel spin by applying a brake to the spinning rear wheel, and the system activates to control under/over steer when one is about to loose directional control. In the competitive mode, the directional control system doesn't activate as soon but when it does activate it works in the same way. In competitive mode there is no wheel spin control on the rear wheels. As I mentioned I ran the Bragg-Smith cars in all the modes and all in-control to out-of-control environments and all work as advertised. It's a cool system!
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Re: Competitive Mode - What Exactly Is It? (Halls 2)
Hmmmm, do you think that is what could have hurt my dyno, on the first two pulls, I had the traction control/active handling off and pulled 314 and then 313 respectfully. I turned the car off to let it cool some, then after about 10 minutes, started it up, put it in competitive mode and only hit 303/302 on the 3rd and 4th pull. Do you think this is what caused the problem. Nothing else changed.
