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Old May 23, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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Trying to fix fuel guage issue....added a can of BG44k, still in progress. My question is, the fuel guage shows 3/4 and the range shows 85mi. On a stock `98, what is the scale of range to guage? Does 85 miles on the range equal 3/4 tank? Thanks for any comments help...
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Old May 23, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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Trying to fix fuel guage issue....added a can of BG44k, still in progress. My question is, the fuel guage shows 3/4 and the range shows 85mi. On a stock `98, what is the scale of range to guage? Does 85 miles on the range equal 3/4 tank? Thanks for any comments help...
If I'm not mistaken, the range will be a calculation based on the average fuel mileage, and the amount of fuel that the car thinks is in the tank.

Something is definitely wrong though, as I can go almost 100 miles on a 1/4 tank (driving nicely of course)

Someone more knowlegable than me will probably be able to give you a better answer though.

Good Luck
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Old May 23, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Trying to fix fuel guage issue....added a can of BG44k, still in progress. My question is, the fuel guage shows 3/4 and the range shows 85mi. On a stock `98, what is the scale of range to guage? Does 85 miles on the range equal 3/4 tank? Thanks for any comments help...
I would suggest putting techron or another fuel cleaner in your tank. Sounds like your fuel sending unit is not sending back the right parameters.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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You need to reset the Ave MPG and Ave Speed. That may help.
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Old May 24, 2007 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chazzvette
Trying to fix fuel guage issue....added a can of BG44k, still in progress. My question is, the fuel guage shows 3/4 and the range shows 85mi. On a stock `98, what is the scale of range to guage? Does 85 miles on the range equal 3/4 tank? Thanks for any comments help...
I track this very religiously on my Z06. As screw99 said, you must make sure you reset the fuel MPG and one of your trip meters at fill-up.

Here's what I do.
The gas tank is 18.5 gal capacity.
Let's say you drive 135 miles, and the "Range" says 198 miles.
Let's say the MPG on the DIC says "18.0 MPG".

The number of gallons used = miles driven/MPG = 135/18.0 = 7.5
The number of gallons remaining = Range/MGP = 198/18.0 = 11.0
The sum of those two must equal the tank capacity = 7.5 + 11 = 18.5

If the sum isn't close to the full tank capacity, the something is wrong with the gas gage (more likely) or MPG calculator on the DIC (unlikely).

On my Z06, the sum calculation will usually be +/- 0.5 gal max from the full tank capacity of 18.5 gallons. If it starts going way beyond that, the sensors need some fuel cleaner in the tank.

Remember that you must reset the MGP and Trip Meter on the DIC to get accurate results.
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Old May 24, 2007 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by corvettedoug
I would suggest putting techron or another fuel cleaner in your tank. Sounds like your fuel sending unit is not sending back the right parameters.

Get ready for the indicated fuel level to drop to zero. Trust the range indication. When you next fill up, put is a couple of bottles of Techron BEFORE you fill the tank to be sure it gets over into the passenger side tank. Do this for the next two or three fillups and it should clear up the hanging fuel level sensor in the passenger side tank. This is a known common issue with C5's that are (1) not driven a lot and (2) sit for long periods of time with a half tank of fuel or less as indicated on the gauge.

If you have Chevron or Texaco stations nearby, fill up with either as it contains Techron. If you can't find Techron, use Sea Foam which you can find at most auto parts stores.

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Get ready for the indicated fuel level to drop to zero. Trust the range indication.
If the fuel gage drops to zero, I believe the range indication goes hay wire also ... so you really don't know how much gas or range you have at that point.
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
If the fuel gage drops to zero, I believe the range indication goes hay wire also ... so you really don't know how much gas or range you have at that point.
I'm not sure but I think the two sensors operate on different systems. I think the range indicator resets at fillup and the circuit has a "totalizer" in it that measures how much fuel was pumped to the engine and for early models how much came back and subtracts the difference from 18.5 gallons. The fuel gauge works off a potentiometer that can get crud buildup on the working surface when it is not submersed in fuel for long periods of time. At some point the float reaches a "clean" part of the potentiometer (usually at or near zero) and then it works again and sends that "surprise, surprise you really don't have as much fuel as you thought" message.

Anyone know for sure about whether there are two systems or only the one?

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BG44K is a professional fuel system cleaner that is stonger than Techron....
If the issue is fouled sending units, chazzvette is on the correct path....
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Originally Posted by cruisemon
I'm not sure but I think the two sensors operate on different systems. I think the range indicator resets at fillup and the circuit has a "totalizer" in it that measures how much fuel was pumped to the engine and for early models how much came back and subtracts the difference from 18.5 gallons. The fuel gauge works off a potentiometer that can get crud buildup on the working surface when it is not submersed in fuel for long periods of time. At some point the float reaches a "clean" part of the potentiometer (usually at or near zero) and then it works again and sends that "surprise, surprise you really don't have as much fuel as you thought" message.

Anyone know for sure about whether there are two systems or only the one?

Charlie
My gage died on me a couple of times, and I think I made notes on what happened to the DIC info as a result. I think I remember the Range on the DIC going nuts also when the gage died. I'll dig up some notes and see if I can verify this.

I know the Range does not reset when you fill-up. The Range will reset when you reset the MPG via the DIC.

I think the Range value is determined by how much fuel is in the gas tank as determined by the fuel sensors in the tank. So if the sensors are screwed up, so is the Range value. I almost ran out of gas once because of this.

However, the MPG value will stay accurate if the fuel gage goes nuts because that is calculated by the fuel volume being used by the injectors and the distance traveled during that time. So get use to how many miles you can go on a full tank while getting XY.Z miles per gallon.

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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
My gage died on me a couple of times, and I think I made notes on what happened to the DIC info as a result. I think I remember the Range on the DIC going nuts also when the gage died. I'll dig up some notes and see if I can verify this.
I dug up my notes from when my gas gage died, and it says the Range value on the DIC went to the message "Low Fuel" when the fuel gage went to "E". After filling up the gas tank and restarting the car, the gage was still on "E" and the Range was blank on the DIC. Later while driving, the gage started working again, and the Range value then showed back up on the DIC.

This tells me that the Range is calculated by using the fuel sensors as a measure of how much gas is in the tanks. If the gage sensors go crazy, the Range value will be messed up also.

One thing that is easy to do is as a "backup Range calculator" of sorts is to carry a small calculator in the center consol. If you always fill the tank (18.5 mpg capacity) and reset one of your trip meter, then you can always manually figure out how much gas is left by using the formulas below.

Gas Left = 18.5 - (Trip Miles/DIC MPG)
Remaining Range = Gas Left x DIC MPG

Example:
Trip Miles = 185
MPG = 21.5

Gas Left = 18.5 - (185/21.5) = 9.9 gallons
Remaining Range = 9.9 gal x 21.5 = 212 miles

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