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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 11:51 PM
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Just a couple of quick notes on things that were changed before the last race. While we were at route 66, Ernie from Breathless perf. noticed the Donaldson air intake on the car and told us to try his new Ls6 air intake. Didn't think much of it untill one showed up in the mail and put it on before the last race, we picked up 3 mph(147 - 150) with shifting the car lower and changing the air intake with worse air conditions(should have run a bit slower). Just thought I would pass the info along as I mostly see negative coments on various products and this one deserves a mention on its performace gains.

On the trans, after we stepped the No2 up we had some trans problems and wanted to share the info as we are trying to market and get the factory 4L60E trans reliable at this power level. There were no broken parts in the trans, the low gear clutches were burnt up pretty bad and was causing the slippage. The car drove fine after the race just slipped under the No2. One more drum modification to allow another clutch and back to the track we go, there was almost a whole season on the trans.
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 12:04 AM
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Awesome Nick. Congrats on having the baddest **** street legal C5 on the planet and sharing with us all these recent updates since your most recent successes. I saw you run live at Rt 66 couple weekends ago and that car just hauls butt. Gotta love those bad **** A4 DRAG MACHNIES :D

Keep up the great work and hope the last two weeks of the season work out well for you and your crew.

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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 12:55 AM
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Thats sweet Nick, makes me want to get an auto now :D Naw, J/K. It will be fun trying to go for that time with my car when my motor comes, since it is bigger and all....LOL Hope fully soon. I try to get a hold of you again, have not heard from you there. Congrats again, I predict in the 8's by next year for someone......
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 01:01 AM
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Nick, Thanks for the update. I dont think everyone gets how much work and testing it takes to build grate combinations. Fantastic times!! Ric
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 05:14 PM
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Nick.. considering how much inter-vendor bashing is going on lately, it's a welcome change to see someone giving credit where credit is due. I hope Ernie appreicates it! Congrats on the latest runs, you're making me wish I had an auto, I'm now on my fourth clutch in 10,000 miles!

Regards..

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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 05:25 PM
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Nick,

why do people discount the awesome 4L60E tranny? I know it's an auto, but it has a 3.06 first gear...can anyone say 60 ft. It's a lot more reliable than people give it credit for. I'm sure people that race their T56s a lot will find out in time that it's no more more reliable than the 4L60E. A friend of mine's after a good rebuild handled a 250 shot of gas off the line. Line pressure wasn't high enough and it didn't want to shift into third. He still went 10.59 at 130 MPH. Not too shabby for an LT1 with Cam, nitrous, LTs, 2400 stall, and Moser rear end. He now has a real tough A3, as he plans on using more nitrous than most strokers make NA.

He and Raughammer are the two that made a believer out of me. The 4L60E rocks! Hope your product turns out great!

Tony :cheers:
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 06:31 PM
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Nick,

why do people discount the awesome 4L60E tranny? I know it's an auto, but it has a 3.06 first gear...can anyone say 60 ft. It's a lot more reliable than people give it credit for. I'm sure people that race their T56s a lot will find out in time that it's no more more reliable than the 4L60E. A friend of mine's after a good rebuild handled a 250 shot of gas off the line. Line pressure wasn't high enough and it didn't want to shift into third. He still went 10.59 at 130 MPH. Not too shabby for an LT1 with Cam, nitrous, LTs, 2400 stall, and Moser rear end. He now has a real tough A3, as he plans on using more nitrous than most strokers make NA.

He and Raughammer are the two that made a believer out of me. The 4L60E rocks! Hope your product turns out great!

Tony :cheers:
The MN6 can handle and is reated for much more power/torque than the 4L60E. In fact the 4L60E was and never will be anything close to a tranny that can stand up to the abuse of wicked power like a built Turbo 350/400 etc... or other racing transmissions.
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 06:42 PM
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Nick,

The MN6 can handle and is reated for much more power/torque than the 4L60E. In fact the 4L60E was and never will be anything close to a tranny that can stand up to the abuse of wicked power like a built Turbo 350/400 etc... or other racing transmissions.
Did I mention the 4L60E being tougher than a TH350? nope...just that it's tough enough. If the T56 is so much tougher, how come people with only cams are having synchro issues with their T56s? I only have a cam and am experiencing no issues. <shrug>
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 06:53 PM
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Hmmm, i dont really know that many with syncro issues.

You start adding the bigtime power, and the MN6 will hold up. The clutch might not, but the tranny will. The A4 just simply wont in contrast.
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:03 PM
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Did I mention the 4L60E being tougher than a TH350? nope...just that it's tough enough. If the T56 is so much tougher, how come people with only cams are having synchro issues with their T56s? I only have a cam and am experiencing no issues. <shrug>
I believe 4L60E is in fact not very strong. This is the first (or at least one of the first) 4L60E trannies that has held up to so much power. But the point is that it’s been extensively modified by ARE. That’s what they were working on with this car (among other things ;) )

Another fact that proves it is not being able to get LPE Stage II with auto (until recently)
Stock T56 has held 9 second passes as well as many mid-low 10s passes, so I think there’s no argument that it IS stronger.

As far as synchros, what does it have to do with power? :confused: You can f*ck em up w/o even moving the car if you want to - just shift w/o engaging clutch <ouch> ;)
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:21 PM
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Did I mention the 4L60E being tougher than a TH350? nope...just that it's tough enough. If the T56 is so much tougher, how come people with only cams are having synchro issues with their T56s? I only have a cam and am experiencing no issues. <shrug>

I believe 4L60E is in fact not very strong. This is the first (or at least one of the first) 4L60E trannies that has held up to so much power. But the point is that it’s been extensively modified by ARE. That’s what they were working on with this car (among other things ;) )

Another fact that proves it is not being able to get LPE Stage II with auto (until recently)
Stock T56 has held 9 second passes as well as many mid-low 10s passes, so I think there’s no argument that it IS stronger.

As far as synchros, what does it have to do with power? :confused: You can f*ck em up w/o even moving the car if you want to - just shift w/o engaging clutch <ouch> ;)
Wow...don't even mention a 6 speed in my original post about 4L60Es and here come the 6 speed guys... :lol:

If it's such a great and tough tranny, how come it has synchro issues? I have owned nothing but sticks since 85. No synchro problems on any of those cars. They didn't have any power either...but hey it doesn't matter, does it? My T56 grinded, luckily it still shifted at WOT. In fact, the guy who bought the car after me, blew it within 3 months and I had removed the heads, nitrous, etc. before selling it. Blamed it on the same shifter I was using...LMAO! <shrug> I will never believe the GM T56 tranny is tough after all the issues friends are having with them...

Tony :cheers:
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:23 PM
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Hmmm, i dont really know that many with syncro issues.

You start adding the bigtime power, and the MN6 will hold up. The clutch might not, but the tranny will. The A4 just simply wont in contrast.
I personally believe it's about power delivery. I have seen my share of T56 synchros on stock cars go bye bye.

Tony :cheers:
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:34 PM
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Tony,
I just replied to

If the T56 is so much tougher, how come people with only cams are having synchro issues with their T56s?...
that’s all. :)

If it's such a great and tough tranny, how come it has synchro issues? I have owned nothing but sticks since 85. No synchro problems on any of those cars. They didn't have any power either...but hey it doesn't matter, does it?
I’ll agree that T56 doesn’t seem to be the smoothest shifting tranny (ZF is said to be much better), but, again, this has nothing to do with how much power it can take (how strong it is)

No need to get that defensive. ;)
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:38 PM
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Sounds like a beast Nick :D I may be visiting you again soon for a change as you may be aware after talking to Matt. :(


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How is the car by the way, must be a blast to drive...
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Old Oct 24, 2001 | 07:42 PM
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Nick I second what Tom said. That is one reason I went with you for my motor...you didn't engage in the mudslinging, in fact went WAAAAY out of your way not to.

Hey maybe a road trip is in order to the Fastest Vette in Texas event on 11/3. The weather is still GREAT down here!

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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 12:55 AM
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Hi Doug, we may just have to make it to the race if the latest changes in the trans hold up to sub 9.50 passes. We know we can stay reliable in the mid 9 sec. zone with the trans but we have been kind of greedy lately and know there is at least a 9.30 in the car with the trans on our side! If we don't hurt the car this weekend we will seriously consider making it to the race and giving you a hand as well, I think it is time to see a low 10 sec. snowmobile!! If the car is not ready we may just have to make the trip for moral support :D

On another note, I think that this forum is a great place to share information on products that work well on the C5 and it doesn't matter who's product it is; good stuff is just plain good stuff! I am a firm believer that FRIENDLY competition on this forum is great exposure for the shops and great information for the members. If my "competiton" has a good product that we don't manufacture, I am glad to purchase it for our customers as we want to deliver the best! :cheers:

We did a H&C package for Keith and know wants to do a converter and possible gear swap to optimise the package.
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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 12:58 AM
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Nick, your alive!! Not sure if you got my messages or not. So how is my motor coming?? :D I will talk to you soon I hope. I actually need to order more parts :D
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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 01:07 AM
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Hi Mike, things are going well with the engine, give me a call tomorrow and we can go over things. We have made a small revision to the sleeves in our re-sleeved engines(same as the ones in Wade's C5) and have tooled up to install these in all the engines we sell now, I am not ashamed to admit that we are continually looking to make things the best they can be.
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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 12:30 PM
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Nick....what is this new LS6 intake that Ernie had ya try?!!?!?!??!?!?!

congRATs on having one KILLER machine......

thanks
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Old Oct 27, 2001 | 01:03 PM
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Nick, what's the new deal on the sleeving? I want to purchase a big bore block and build the motor myself.

How about a GP on a prepped, 4.100" block. I know I'm interested.

Are you going to the PRI show ? If so, maybe we can hook up and discuss. I'll be at several booths and am easily reached.
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