Euro T-84 headlight users.....
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From: Phila PA, Bonita Springs FL
Euro T-84 headlight users.....
Any problems? I've heard that they might vibrate while driving. Something about the weight of the glass vs the stock plastic lens.
I know I'm definitely getting the Phillips HID lighting.
Just not sure to stay with stock lenses or go Euro (glass).
Anyone??
[Modified by indypace78, 6:38 PM 11/6/2001]
I know I'm definitely getting the Phillips HID lighting.
Just not sure to stay with stock lenses or go Euro (glass).
Anyone??
[Modified by indypace78, 6:38 PM 11/6/2001]
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From: Wedowee AL
Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (indypace78)
They may vibrate a little, but not enough to be detrimental.
They work great with the 80W piaa hyperwhite bulbs, much improved over stock.
Only had two drivers flash their hi beams at me in 7000 miles, no problem!
go with the glass!
They work great with the 80W piaa hyperwhite bulbs, much improved over stock.
Only had two drivers flash their hi beams at me in 7000 miles, no problem!
go with the glass!
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Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (indypace78)
They don't vibrate if the lights are properly adjusted to the stops. See c4c5specialist.
Or, if you want overkill, use the entire Euro assembly (complete unit with motors, etc.), not just the headlight shells. Runs about $350 compared to $35, but some folks swear by it. See Bob Wendorff at http://www.fichtnerchevrolet.com .
I didn't realize they make a real HID system for the C5 yet, just a conversion. If you go with that, don't use the T-84s, because you won't have high beams for the deer in Bucks County.
Or, if you want overkill, use the entire Euro assembly (complete unit with motors, etc.), not just the headlight shells. Runs about $350 compared to $35, but some folks swear by it. See Bob Wendorff at http://www.fichtnerchevrolet.com .
I didn't realize they make a real HID system for the C5 yet, just a conversion. If you go with that, don't use the T-84s, because you won't have high beams for the deer in Bucks County.
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Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (EHS)
I got the whole shebang (full euro headlights + euro fogs) a while back when the prices were sensible and then replaced the stock euro H4 headlight bulbs with the PIAA H4 Super White Platinum Series Twin Pack, 80/80 watt. This is a relatively easy 3-bolt install for the headlights, and the fogs are a piece of cake, which uses the stock wiring and really works very, very well - the domestic setup is downright dangerous at any kind on C5-type speed.
I would disagree with EHS that this is overkill in a functional sense, since you end up with a very clean upgraded version of the export setup that retains all of the stock adjustment features in mechanically solid units. However, with what GM has done with the prices, this approach has unfortunately become financially ridiculous.
I would disagree with EHS that this is overkill in a functional sense, since you end up with a very clean upgraded version of the export setup that retains all of the stock adjustment features in mechanically solid units. However, with what GM has done with the prices, this approach has unfortunately become financially ridiculous.
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Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (indypace78)
There is ONE CONFIRMED possible problem that you MAY experience:
It seems that the WEIGHT of the (glass) Euro lenses can impede the ability of the STOCK headlight door motors/actuators to CLOSE the headlight doors properly (ie. they stay up when you turn the headlights off) UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as if you turn the headlights OFF after you shut off your engine.
I've had this happen to me several times, BUT NEVER (so far) if I shut the lights off WHILE THE ENGINE IS STILL RUNNING. It seems (likely) that the 12 volts or so available to the actuators when the engine is off (compared to the 14 or so WITH it running) is NOT enough to allow the actuators to come off their 'open, over center lock-point' and close properly.
BTW: this is a CONFIRMED (though not insurrounatble and not too frequent) PROBLEM. I checked with GM and they indeed DO make and use a different motor/actuator for vehicles equipped with the Euro lights...
That said, however: I would still say 'Go For It'. My setup with 130/100w lamps is GREAT and, as long as properly aimed, 'by the book', has NEVER caused anyone to 'flash me' in a request for a 'dim'...
You won't BELIEVE the difference they make when driving at night...
It seems that the WEIGHT of the (glass) Euro lenses can impede the ability of the STOCK headlight door motors/actuators to CLOSE the headlight doors properly (ie. they stay up when you turn the headlights off) UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as if you turn the headlights OFF after you shut off your engine.
I've had this happen to me several times, BUT NEVER (so far) if I shut the lights off WHILE THE ENGINE IS STILL RUNNING. It seems (likely) that the 12 volts or so available to the actuators when the engine is off (compared to the 14 or so WITH it running) is NOT enough to allow the actuators to come off their 'open, over center lock-point' and close properly.
BTW: this is a CONFIRMED (though not insurrounatble and not too frequent) PROBLEM. I checked with GM and they indeed DO make and use a different motor/actuator for vehicles equipped with the Euro lights...
That said, however: I would still say 'Go For It'. My setup with 130/100w lamps is GREAT and, as long as properly aimed, 'by the book', has NEVER caused anyone to 'flash me' in a request for a 'dim'...
You won't BELIEVE the difference they make when driving at night...
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From: Saratoga CA
Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (QuicksilverC5)
There is ONE CONFIRMED possible problem that you MAY experience:
It seems that the WEIGHT of the (glass) Euro lenses can impede the ability of the STOCK headlight door motors/actuators to CLOSE the headlight doors properly (ie. they stay up when you turn the headlights off) UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as if you turn the headlights OFF after you shut off your engine.
I've had this happen to me several times, BUT NEVER (so far) if I shut the lights off WHILE THE ENGINE IS STILL RUNNING. It seems (likely) that the 12 volts or so available to the actuators when the engine is off (compared to the 14 or so WITH it running) is NOT enough to allow the actuators to come off their 'open, over center lock-point' and close properly.
BTW: this is a CONFIRMED (though not insurrounatble and not too frequent) PROBLEM. I checked with GM and they indeed DO make and use a different motor/actuator for vehicles equipped with the Euro lights...
That said, however: I would still say 'Go For It'. My setup with 130/100w lamps is GREAT and, as long as properly aimed, 'by the book', has NEVER caused anyone to 'flash me' in a request for a 'dim'...
You won't BELIEVE the difference they make when driving at night...
It seems that the WEIGHT of the (glass) Euro lenses can impede the ability of the STOCK headlight door motors/actuators to CLOSE the headlight doors properly (ie. they stay up when you turn the headlights off) UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as if you turn the headlights OFF after you shut off your engine.
I've had this happen to me several times, BUT NEVER (so far) if I shut the lights off WHILE THE ENGINE IS STILL RUNNING. It seems (likely) that the 12 volts or so available to the actuators when the engine is off (compared to the 14 or so WITH it running) is NOT enough to allow the actuators to come off their 'open, over center lock-point' and close properly.
BTW: this is a CONFIRMED (though not insurrounatble and not too frequent) PROBLEM. I checked with GM and they indeed DO make and use a different motor/actuator for vehicles equipped with the Euro lights...
That said, however: I would still say 'Go For It'. My setup with 130/100w lamps is GREAT and, as long as properly aimed, 'by the book', has NEVER caused anyone to 'flash me' in a request for a 'dim'...
You won't BELIEVE the difference they make when driving at night...
Where can I purchase this different motor/actuator? part #,etc.?
Thanks.
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From: Liberty Lake Washington
Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (akw408)
Call parts manager Bob Wendorff at Fichtner Chevrolet. Best prices and service! http://www.fichtnerchevrolet.com
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Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (Jammon1)
I did just that and called Bob and he gave me the right stuff at a great price. Just the Euro's, a "Y" harness and higher wattage power. To date, no vibration and motors open/close headlights perfectly....they give great light! Puts the beam where it does the most good and doesn't blind the oncoming lane. Why GM doesn't put these on at the factory is just another Corvette mystery . Do it, you won't regret it!
Joe
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Re: Euro T-84 headlight users..... (George Cooper)
... I would disagree with EHS that this is overkill in a functional sense, since you end up with a very clean upgraded version of the export setup that retains all of the stock adjustment features in mechanically solid units. However, with what GM has done with the prices, this approach has unfortunately become financially ridiculous.
For what it's worth, Bob says he has sold about 250 T-84 assemblies to date, and only one (1) complete set, i.e., with the actuators. Says that even GM hasn't been able to tell him what the difference is between the Euro and US actuators, other than the part number and price. Has "received very few" complaints on the 250 units he sold. The trick for no shake seems to be proper adjustment of the headlights/motors/stops.
Hope this helps. :smash:
