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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 01:53 PM
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It's not a terrible deal. Especially if you value the Lingenfelter name. Of course they're selling you ported stock heads, instead of higher quality aftermarket units, but the package should be well balanced, and reliable. For a turn-key, you CAN do better, but without some of the benefits of this package. Make sure you get to keep all of your stock parts, because they have value, especially your LS6 heads.
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 05:13 PM
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It's exactly what I have. Had my work done just under a year ago with no problems. I had a few extras put on as I participate in a few DE's during the summer. My list of parts and the results of the package are in my sig below. The guys are good and the fit and finish are quality. You won't be unhappy. At least, I'm not. PM me if you have specific questions.
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It's exactly what I have. Had my work done just under a year ago with no problems. I had a few extras put on as I participate in a few DE's during the summer. My list of parts and the results of the package are in my sig below. The guys are good and the fit and finish are quality. You won't be unhappy. At least, I'm not. PM me if you have specific questions.
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You're going to run hi flow cats that don't work nearly as good as stock ones ?



Gather the women and children, it's the Apocalypse.
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 01:33 AM
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You're going to run hi flow cats that don't work nearly as good as stock ones ?



Gather the women and children, it's the Apocalypse.

I hope you don't take my stand on running catless too seriously my friend. You guys take things too personally.

I don't advocate running w/o cats because IMHO it doesn't gain you anything except sound and others have to smell your gas and depending on where you live you have to go through all kinds of unnecessary changes to overcome the problems running catless causes. It is NOT because I am a treehugger which I think is so funny that someone would call me that I do think running cats (hi flow or OEM) is the responsible thing to do but not for the precise reasons you attribute to my comments.

In reality, I could care less if you run w/o cats as long as I am not behind you in bumper to bumper traffic. Modern environmental controls are far less restrictive than they were in the 70s and 80s so it is pretty pointless (and irresponsible, and illegal) to run without cats.

Now back to the thread

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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
I don't advocate running w/o cats because IMHO it doesn't gain you anything except sound and others have to smell your gas and depending on where you live you have to go through all kinds of unnecessary changes to overcome the problems running catless causes. It is NOT because I am a treehugger which I think is so funny that someone would call me that I do think running cats (hi flow or OEM) is the responsible thing to do but not for the precise reasons you attribute to my comments.


Couldn't agree more. Nothing like turning a nice C5 into a car that stinks like a 73 nova 6cyl with bad wires.
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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The damage to the environment caused by running catless for a measly 3-4 extra HP just isn't worth it.
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 10:58 AM
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Don't you still have to bolster the rest of the drivetrain$$$?
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Don't you still have to bolster the rest of the drivetrain$$$?
The C5 drivetrain can take up to a bit over 500HP before bolstering it would become necessary. The advertised numbers are crankshaft figures not RWHP.
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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It's a good package,very simalar to what they have done to my car.
Deal or not-your decision,I can tell you that John,Kerri and the guys in the shop at 21cmc do top notch work and there customer servise is great.You won't have any regrets having them do the work.
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Why do they need to remove the engine?

$6500 for heads, cam, longtube headers, plugs, and plug wires? No thanks... You can do SO much better for $6500.
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99

I hope you don't take my stand on running catless too seriously my friend. You guys take things too personally.

I don't advocate running w/o cats because IMHO it doesn't gain you anything except sound and others have to smell your gas and depending on where you live you have to go through all kinds of unnecessary changes to overcome the problems running catless causes. It is NOT because I am a treehugger which I think is so funny that someone would call me that I do think running cats (hi flow or OEM) is the responsible thing to do but not for the precise reasons you attribute to my comments.

In reality, I could care less if you run w/o cats as long as I am not behind you in bumper to bumper traffic. Modern environmental controls are far less restrictive than they were in the 70s and 80s so it is pretty pointless (and irresponsible, and illegal) to run without cats.

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You can find a equivalent/better package for 3/4 of that price.
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You can find a equivalent/better package for 3/4 of that price.

I'm all ears. I live in Texas, please advise
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hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/

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I do think running cats (hi flow or OEM) is the responsible thing to do

Reading is fundamental.

Hi-flow cats are legal in 49 states. Running without cats on public roads is NOT legal in ANY state. Where is the hypocrisy?

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I'm shocked Illinois isn't the one hold out state, guess they just haven't figured out how to tax Hi-Flo's...

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Originally Posted by 2000C-5
You're going to run hi flow cats that don't work nearly as good as stock ones ?



Gather the women and children, it's the Apocalypse.

Well I guess they work good enough to pass DEQ.
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
I installed those heads & cam on my 2001 Z06. With the existing TPIS 1.75 headers, no cats, Blackwing airfilter, the car only made 410 rwhp on a DynoJet. The AFR was 13.0 with 24* total timing. At a different DynoJet, the car made 408 rwhp. Different timing & fuel ratios were tried with no gains. After installing a Mamofied 90/90 intake, the car then made 434 rwhp.

When the engine was apart for the cam & head install, I installed Speed Pro stock replacement pistons & file fit rings. The cylinders leak between 2 & 3% and the engine uses no oil. I'm planning on installing the LG G5X3 114 LSA camshaft.

Keep in mind that their 500 BHP is only 440 rwhp!

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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
It's not bad, it's around the going price for a heads and cam set-up!

This kit should give you about 430 RWHP! IMHO! Which is not bad at all!

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