You may be right Matt, it's just that it all smells like :bs when supporting vendors start to debate. Just my 2 cents, thanks for yours though.


[Modified by vettvert, 9:13 PM 12/23/2001]

 

I am switching to large port heads soon so I went with the TPIS longtubes. The car runs strong now with them on the car. I can t wait till I get more HP to make those Headers work harder!!

vetterdstr :cheers:

 

I think there are several good LT headers out there on the market. I personally chose the TPIS and have been very happy with them.

 

Nate:

I am running an internally stock 1999 C5.
Shooting a 200 shot> NX Express
Stock headers.

If I go for TPIS headers, what RWHP will I gain when using the 200 shot?

advise......

 

Matt, you are mistakened, the post was not directed at you.

I feel, any vendor that recommends a product without selling or installing all related products, (headers in this case) is biased. I understand why you thought my reply was directed at you though. As a vendor, you offer only one brand of long tubes, do not offer installation of the products you sell, and the company you work for, works out of a house. You have no experience with any other header but the one you run personally and sell. I guess you could be called "biased". Doesnt make you a bad guy though! ;)

As for the statements and specifics on the customers header/cam swap, I am only stating the facts as they were told to me. I have dyno sheets of before and after and I will post them here on Wednesday. They are at the shop.

I have stated twice, I have dyno results between the TTS and Belangers.
The last time was in a similar post. I never posted the graphs they are the same ones from this particular customer.

I dont recall saying TTS headers are "no good" for head and cam cars. I do believe the TPIS and Belanger headers will out perform the TTS, and are a better choice for head/cam cars. That, I have said many times.

Share your feelings, it is important to the CF and its members.
I will offer my experience with the TTS and TPIS header also. I have had both brands on my car and the difference between them was noticeable. I wont say there was 20 hp difference but, I will say I felt a loss at the bottom end and top rpm range suffered as well with the TTS.
Overall, I think TTS makes a great header. If they were priced lower in the range of the TPIS, I would recommend them over the TPIS, unless it was a head/cam car.

vettevert- please take no offense, but money has nothing to do with this discussion. We are comparing what header works, quality and which performs best. Do some research, you will find lots of topics on headers. Look whos promoting what. We promote the TPIS heavily.
If profit margin was bottom line, we would not sell the TPIS at all! No profit margin to speak of...we sell them because they are the best header for the money in our opinion.
But they are not the best header available overall...

I think friendly discussion between vendors is good for the forum. Lots of information is exchanged.

Bruce1- my guess would be 20-25 on the juice. 14-17 without.

Nate




[Modified by Nate@xtreme, 3:59 PM 12/24/2001]

 

With all due respect, I would like to interject some thing, and I hope I am not going to offend anyone, but I hope this is a moot point soon. The TPIS, Belanger, B&B are all "Mid length" headers. They all have less than 20" primaries. They are not Long Tubes, just because they have a 3" pipe attached to essentially short tube headers.

The header that we designed will be available to all on the CF first are TRUE Long Tube headers, with 32" long, 1 3/4 primaries. Plus these are built with 304 Stainless Steel. We are delivering the first 2 sets this week, and will be ramping up production after the holidays, after some de-bugging.

I welcome any of the vendors to dyno them, and will even loan out a set to
Augostino for an independent test. We have tested them and we are very happy with the numbers.

I do not think you will be willing to leave the HP on the table.

Sorry if I have intruded, but I wanted to clarify the difference between Mid Length and Long Tube Headers. Plus I wanted to let everyone know that they are only days away from being available

Lou Gigliotti http://www.lgmotorsports

 

Merry Christmas all,

Hey Lou I have been waiting what seems like forever on your headers.
Will these be bolt-ons or is welding required?
Will you offer installation and about how much?
Are there still plans for a GP?
Do you think they can be installed by a DIY without a lift?

Thanks

 

:rolleyes:Of course, a lot of claims by vendors with all these cool headers with no proof us low life customers can see. Can we see all the better gains from all these headers? Scan some dyno sheets in already:)Nate, post them sheets, ok?

Lou,

With all the quality issues that the TPIs' have had here on this Forum and all the unhappy customers with cracked welds, what is your warranty policy? How is your welding and design better? I don't want to have to remove a header to send it off to be fixed and I would like to have a long tube in S/S if the price is in the $1500 range.

Thx

 

Yes, we offer installation, and yes we will have a GP on the first run. 20% off ragular install price for the GP.

Warranty will be for 1 year, but if there is a defect, we will take care of it. no matter what the time.

Dyno sheets were posted by Jeremy Newhouse (Godspeed). You will have to search his posts to see the dyno sheets.

Thses are stainless steel headers, that are TIG welded, and argon pruged on the inside of the tube during the welding process.

The pricing will be in your range, at $1595 regular price. GP pricing will be announced.

We have taken the time to "De-Bug" the headers, and make sure that we will not have any issues surprise us later.

Thanks,

Lou Gigliotti http://www.LGMotorsports.com

 

Hey Lou,

thanks for the info but could you answer the rest of my questions?

 

Lou, I agree, headers that are available now are not a true long tube. Its all we have though and they do perform well for what they are.
Im sure your headers will out perform anything else and for that reason, I would like a set for testing. Can you give us specifics on the headers?
Are they coated? How do they connect to the cats? Some insight on the installation? Lifting of the motor? Starter removal? Relocation of the dipstick?
Did you have to lengthen the harness for the 02s? Thanks for your post and for any info you can give us. I will give you a call this week.

Nate

Nate

 

Madguy,

There will be some welding required, although we plan to supply band clamps, like a Borla, so you won't have to weld. We also have some plans, down the road , that will make it a bolt on application.

Install, with the discount, will be $400, with the GP that is planned.

I am not sure what a DIY is, but a lift would help to speed the process. Plus, I would not want to weld on my back. If you do not have a lift, I would suggest you wait until the bolt on application becomes available.


Nate,

They are not coated, they are stainless, although they can be coated as an option, if requested.

They will weld on to the cats, although I recomend 3" Random High Flow cats. We will offer a bolt on random setup down the road.

The installation is not as hard as one might think. The right side only requires removing the coil pack.

The left side requires removal of the coil pack, and valve cover, as well as the alternator, and steering shaft.

There is NO starter removal required, and no lifting of the engine, although the driver side inatall is tight. Also, there is no need to relocate the dip stick.

A harness extension (O2) is required, and we plan to supply them.

I hope that this answers all of the questions.

Thanks,

Lou Gigliotti http://www.lgmotorsports.com




[Modified by LG Motorsports, 3:26 PM 12/26/2001]

 

Lou,

Thanks for the response. I think for $400 I will just let you do the installation.

 

Lou,

When will the full bolt on package be available? I want to do my head/cam/headers all in one shot. :yesnod:

 

Here is one of the dyno sheets on the comparison between TTS and Belanger headers.

Note the previous aftermarket cam was swapped for a more radical aftermarket cam between dynos. Still, the bottom line is, 35.1 hp and 40.7 trq gained. 15-20 can be attributed for the cam, the rest of the gain, Belangers.
Both TTS and Belanger are great headers, but with a head and cam pkg, we feel the bigger tubes work better.

Nate


[Modified by Nate@xtreme, 1:05 AM 1/8/2002]