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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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Has anybody tried or had any experience with GM perfamance LS6 cnc
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How do they compare to AFR's 205,s looking for any input
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Has anybody tried or had any experience with GM perfamance LS6 cnc
ported head P/N 88958622
How do they compare to AFR's 205,s looking for any input
IIRC, Those are on my car. They will not flow as well as the AFR's, but they are less expensive.

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I vote Trickflow, but I'm not objective. You get what you pay for, sometimes.
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Curious on this too! mine are being installed today!
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As stated above, they won't flow as well as a set of AFRs, but are cheaper. There are many options for cylinder heads. Give us a call if you want a hand selecting what will work best for you.

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Originally Posted by Salem_Vette
Has anybody tried or had any experience with GM perfamance LS6 cnc
ported head P/N 88958622
How do they compare to AFR's 205,s looking for any input
You should check out TSP's CNC LS6 heads.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 11sec_C5Z51
You should check out TSP's CNC LS6 heads.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Salem_Vette
Has anybody tried or had any experience with GM perfamance LS6 cnc
ported head P/N 88958622
How do they compare to AFR's 205,s looking for any input
I have been running the GMPP cnc heads for the past five years. The part # back then was 12480176. The heads flow a little over 300 cfm at 600 lift with 60cc chambers. I realize that there are a lot of after market heads today that claim superior flow numbers to the GMPP cnc heads..which may be very well true. The heads perform well and you will see a nice increase in power when their matched with a good cam (combo). The present cost for a set of these heads is approximately $2200.00...not exactly what I would call cheap!

Personally I can not see investing in a new set of heads that might net me a additional 10/10 increase overall. However,if I was swapping out my stock heads then I would have to consider (purchase) the best set of heads for my application.

I would like to see a independent test conducted on all possible combos (NA,Nitrous,and FI) using the various manufactures heads that are available to us LS guys. But being realistic that will never happen...you will just have to go with the bias data and hype available and then make your own decision.
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Originally Posted by 98vettedave
I have been running the GMPP cnc heads for the past five years. The part # back then was 12480176. The heads flow a little over 300 cfm at 600 lift with 60cc chambers. I realize that there are a lot of after market heads today that claim superior flow numbers to the GMPP cnc heads..which may be very well true. The heads perform well and you will see a nice increase in power when their matched with a good cam (combo). The present cost for a set of these heads is approximately $2200.00...not exactly what I would call cheap!

Personally I can not see investing in a new set of heads that might net me a additional 10/10 increase overall. However,if I was swapping out my stock heads then I would have to consider (purchase) the best set of heads for my application.

I would like to see a independent test conducted on all possible combos (NA,Nitrous,and FI) using the various manufactures heads that are available to us LS guys. But being realistic that will never happen...you will just have to go with the bias data and hype available and then make your own decision.
Everytime I think of switching out my TSP LS6 heads for TFS 215 heads, every tuner in my area tells me it won't be worth it for another 10rwhp.

I have a buddy that went from Ported LS6 heads to Trickflow heads and he gained 10rwhp.
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Any idea on what the approximate gain would be if I went from stock LS6 to AFR or ported heads? I heard some large gains but I didn't know if that was from stock LS1 heads to AFR.
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I decided to go with the AFRs they were about the same cost as the GMPP, but have smaller cc intake runners. I already have MTI LS1 R2 heads with large intake runners
A Thunder racing cheater cam, LGM long tubes. I need more lower midrange power to 6000rpm. more than top end. I use the car for HPDE track days on a road race corse.
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Originally Posted by 11sec_C5Z51
Everytime I think of switching out my TSP LS6 heads for TFS 215 heads, every tuner in my area tells me it won't be worth it for another 10rwhp.

I have a buddy that went from Ported LS6 heads to Trickflow heads and he gained 10rwhp.
Yea they may be good for 10-15 rwhp up TOP but the midrange power will blow the LS6 heads out of the water, the cfm at .200-.500 (where it matters) is huge on the Trick Flows
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Yea they may be good for 10-15 rwhp up TOP but the midrange power will blow the LS6 heads out of the water, the cfm at .200-.500 (where it matters) is huge on the Trick Flows
The GMPP heads that are referrred to in this thread flow over 200 cfm at .300 lift and over 290 cfm at .500 lift. The heads also come with the light weight hollow and sodium filled valves that improves the valve train stability at higher rpm's while allowing the engine to rev quicker, these heads are also milled to decrease the chamber size (60cc) thus increasing the scr.

Saying that the Trick Flow heads will blow this GMPP set of heads out of the water is somewhat of an over statement. I am not saying that this set of GMPP heads are the best that money can buy....just that they produce good HP/TQ with the right combo.
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Originally Posted by Corvette Don
Yea they may be good for 10-15 rwhp up TOP but the midrange power will blow the LS6 heads out of the water, the cfm at .200-.500 (where it matters) is huge on the Trick Flows
doubt if its anywhere near 15rwhp. Comparing his TFS to his Ported LS6 heads, rwhp was comparable in the midrange, the biggest difference was the TQ in the midrange. He gained 1 mph in the 1/4.

They don't blow the ported LS6 heads out of the water, but they are significantly better in the low range (15-20 lbs-ft tq) and the TFS does allow you to run a larger cam without having to worry about flycutting as compared to the LS6 heads.

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Originally Posted by 11sec_C5Z51
doubt if its anywhere near 15rwhp. Comparing his TFS to his Ported LS6 heads, rwhp was comparable in the midrange, the biggest difference was the TQ in the midrange. He gained 1 mph in the 1/4.

They don't blow the ported LS6 heads out of the water, but they are significantly better in the low range (15-20 lbs-ft tq) and the TFS does allow you to run a larger cam without having to worry about flycutting as compared to the LS6 heads.
The TFS may have produced more low end TQ than the ported LS6 heads (which heads were they) due to the smaller intake runners. I would have to think that you are referring to a 346 NA engine. Now in my case(383-175 shot)how would the TFS heads perform vs the GMPP with the larger runner heads? The 383 with nitrous produces a large amount of TQ through out the entire power band. I would think that the larger intake runners would be a plus when considering this this type of application. However, I may be mistaken in that assumption...I don't pretend to be a expert in head design.

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