Is revving to 8250 with stock LS1 heads bad?
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Is revving to 8250 with stock LS1 heads bad?
So during qualifying on Sat morning I went from 3rd to 2nd in the middle of a corner I got the clutch back in pretty quick but the engine saw 8250 RPMs per my memory tack
Everything seemed to be OK so I ran the first race and all seemed fine than at the start of my second race my throttle stuck wide open and it bounced of the 7500 RPM Rev Limiter (Yeah I know that should be lower) for a second or two.
I'm thinking that's bad, BTW the car ran great for the rest of the race minus me not being able to go to full throttle beck of a sticking peddle
Everything seemed to be OK so I ran the first race and all seemed fine than at the start of my second race my throttle stuck wide open and it bounced of the 7500 RPM Rev Limiter (Yeah I know that should be lower) for a second or two.
I'm thinking that's bad, BTW the car ran great for the rest of the race minus me not being able to go to full throttle beck of a sticking peddle
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You don't mention if you have after market valve springs or not. If you don't have them you are leading a charmed life with the limiter set to 7500. Since you feel the car runs OK it would seem that no damage was done. Only you can tell if the car doesn't perform as usual.
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You don't mention if you have after market valve springs or not. If you don't have them you are leading a charmed life with the limiter set to 7500. Since you feel the car runs OK it would seem that no damage was done. Only you can tell if the car doesn't perform as usual.
I hit the rev limiter once to often and broke 4 springs. You'll know when it happens. That's 4 broke and 3 cracked, weakened. I'd take a look under the valve covers when you get a chance just to be sure.
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Stock LS6 springs, I figure at least it needs new springs
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I'd change those springs for sure. The throttle going wide open by itself is weird though. It's a fly by wire system so somethings going on there that you need to have traced. Why is your rev limiter set so high? That's crazy!
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Ok first off...how was your car able to run with a sticking throttle? The normal "safeguard" is "reduced engine power". This is normal for all C5's. Soon as the throttle blade sticks it will trip this sensor and throw you into "reduced engine power mode". Also what have you done to the car that allows you to go 1500 over redline?
To answer your "titled" question....YES, 8250 is bad. Shoot anything over 6000 is considered bad as the stock LS1's redline is 6. Some raise it to 6500 for the moments of peaking....but still from the stuff your describing, I wouldn't give that LS1 of yours too long treating it like that. Be prepared.
The other thing Ken, what kind of car are we talking about here. Your profile says you have a 91 L98? Hope thats not the car we are actually talking about lol. That's even worst! The L98 peaks at about 4400 RPM. So doubling that!
Might want to update your profile if it's a C5.
To answer your "titled" question....YES, 8250 is bad. Shoot anything over 6000 is considered bad as the stock LS1's redline is 6. Some raise it to 6500 for the moments of peaking....but still from the stuff your describing, I wouldn't give that LS1 of yours too long treating it like that. Be prepared.
The other thing Ken, what kind of car are we talking about here. Your profile says you have a 91 L98? Hope thats not the car we are actually talking about lol. That's even worst! The L98 peaks at about 4400 RPM. So doubling that!
Might want to update your profile if it's a C5.
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Have to agree with others that it was not good.
Looks like you may have gotten lucky.
Would think that with only stock springs you would have encountered serious valve float with anything over about 6800 rpm.
Looks like you may have gotten lucky.
Would think that with only stock springs you would have encountered serious valve float with anything over about 6800 rpm.
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It was in my race car, LPE WC spec LS6 bottom end w/stock heads also the car has a manual TB all those electronic safe gaurds are long gone. So far looks like no damage but we haven't dug deep yet
Normally I shift around 6800, but depending on the track 7k has been seen
I also have a 91 coupe, that has seen high 6s my times again far from stock
Normally I shift around 6800, but depending on the track 7k has been seen
I also have a 91 coupe, that has seen high 6s my times again far from stock
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check your spings and pushrods.
Anything else gone wrong you'd have known it already as the car wouldn't have "ran fine" for the rest of the day.
get it on a dyno and check to make sure power is there, get it re-tuned and have them lower your fuel cut to be a little safer.
Anything else gone wrong you'd have known it already as the car wouldn't have "ran fine" for the rest of the day.
get it on a dyno and check to make sure power is there, get it re-tuned and have them lower your fuel cut to be a little safer.
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Ok first off...how was your car able to run with a sticking throttle? The normal "safeguard" is "reduced engine power". This is normal for all C5's. Soon as the throttle blade sticks it will trip this sensor and throw you into "reduced engine power mode". Also what have you done to the car that allows you to go 1500 over redline?
To answer your "titled" question....YES, 8250 is bad. Shoot anything over 6000 is considered bad as the stock LS1's redline is 6. Some raise it to 6500 for the moments of peaking....but still from the stuff your describing, I wouldn't give that LS1 of yours too long treating it like that. Be prepared.
The other thing Ken, what kind of car are we talking about here. Your profile says you have a 91 L98? Hope thats not the car we are actually talking about lol. That's even worst! The L98 peaks at about 4400 RPM. So doubling that!
Might want to update your profile if it's a C5.
To answer your "titled" question....YES, 8250 is bad. Shoot anything over 6000 is considered bad as the stock LS1's redline is 6. Some raise it to 6500 for the moments of peaking....but still from the stuff your describing, I wouldn't give that LS1 of yours too long treating it like that. Be prepared.
The other thing Ken, what kind of car are we talking about here. Your profile says you have a 91 L98? Hope thats not the car we are actually talking about lol. That's even worst! The L98 peaks at about 4400 RPM. So doubling that!
Might want to update your profile if it's a C5.
8200's I would think it is compromised somewhere mechanically which could lead to a real expensive boom if not checked very carefully.
From memory I though the LS-1 was redlined at 6600? yes no
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check your spings and pushrods.
Anything else gone wrong you'd have known it already as the car wouldn't have "ran fine" for the rest of the day.
get it on a dyno and check to make sure power is there, get it re-tuned and have them lower your fuel cut to be a little safer.
Anything else gone wrong you'd have known it already as the car wouldn't have "ran fine" for the rest of the day.
get it on a dyno and check to make sure power is there, get it re-tuned and have them lower your fuel cut to be a little safer.
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Stock, the LS1 rev limiter is set at 6200, LS6 is 6500.
The stock valve springs and pushrods are by far the weakest links, followed by rod bolts.
If (as stated) these are stock LS6 heads, that's a pretty light and stable valvetrain out of the box, and likely can handle that RPM in bursts, but not advisable for continued operation. The usual consequence of an unloaded over-rev like this would be valve float, valves hitting pistons, and pushrods would be coming out shaped like boomerangs. The valve seals may also unseat or endure some damage in the event of a serious valve float case. The timing chain will deal with it, unless a harsh valve impact jerked it beyond it's yield. (the shape of the pushrods would tell that story though).
If the engine is still running good and quietly, it's likely none of that occurred, and probably no need to worry.
Oh, and FWIW, even though the engine under load can probably take it, setting rev limit at 7500 with stock valvesprings and pushrods is really gambling.
A simple beehive spring and pushrod upgrade would make it much more stable at that limit.
The stock valve springs and pushrods are by far the weakest links, followed by rod bolts.
If (as stated) these are stock LS6 heads, that's a pretty light and stable valvetrain out of the box, and likely can handle that RPM in bursts, but not advisable for continued operation. The usual consequence of an unloaded over-rev like this would be valve float, valves hitting pistons, and pushrods would be coming out shaped like boomerangs. The valve seals may also unseat or endure some damage in the event of a serious valve float case. The timing chain will deal with it, unless a harsh valve impact jerked it beyond it's yield. (the shape of the pushrods would tell that story though).
If the engine is still running good and quietly, it's likely none of that occurred, and probably no need to worry.
Oh, and FWIW, even though the engine under load can probably take it, setting rev limit at 7500 with stock valvesprings and pushrods is really gambling.
A simple beehive spring and pushrod upgrade would make it much more stable at that limit.
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if you have not had any problems i would not worrie about it on my ls6 with a fast 90 and american racing 1 7/8 headers i shift at 7200 from light to light for the last 3 years sometimes missing a shift but i do not know what RPM it flashes to i have the reve limiter set to 7500. i did the tick MC upgrade and never miss a shift anymore well worth doing!
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So it might not be a bad idea to check if youre gonna tear it down anyways.