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Old Jun 28, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Default Column lock grrrrr!!!! UPDATE IT'S FIXED but found something strange

Crap it happened to me today, I just got the car back last week for a clutch install and just put 525 miles on the new set up. I have had the car for about a year and she's been great except now. The colum has not locked up but I get the fuel cutoff when trying to drive in first gear but she turns fine no lock up. The previous owner said he had the CLB installed(I have not looked to verify) or maybe he said it was the recall done I will call and have them run my vin to verify. I was reading the sticky which made my head spin. I was reading about trying to pull a fuse out #25 and 28? Where are these located and what should the first thing I do?

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Old Jun 28, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Sounds like the fuel cutoff is kicking in. My guess is that you have a GM K-relay column lock bypass (not the aftermarket ones that you put in under the steering column) and it's not telling your PCM that the lock has retracted.

If you have some type of column lock by-pass, you are in luck! This means you won't have to flatbed your ride to the dealer to have the steering column pulled. You just need to find out what signal isn't being sent back to the PCM and fix it.

If you find that you have the GM K-relay, I'd recommend you get a good, aftermarket bypass unit. Less than $50 from a forum supporter.

Check out this old thread for more info:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...-and-dies.html

Still waiting to see you boost that damn thing dude!!
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Old Jun 28, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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After all the posts on this subject, I would almost be embarrassed to even post if I had a column lock problem, but muncie21 is probably right.
If your column does not lock, either the lockplate was removed under a recall or the actuator has been disconnected. Either way, you don't have to worry about that part.
There will be a relay under the dash that has failed and needs to be replaced, which is most likely the remnants of a GM Harness K installed during a recall.
The fix is to get a new relay (CLB).
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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Thanks guys when I get home after work I will try the jumper wire and order a CLB.

Muncie boost is gonna have to wait awhile untill I finish the DSM and see how long that last if not then we will go from there. Let me know about that nitrous kit....

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Well I went home and started to do work I have good news and weird news. SO I went looking for the GM K harness/recall mod so I pulled the bcm and I also pulled the fuse box and nothing. So I called my buddie up Gary(Muncie21) and he sayd pull the panels to the column and check for a clb. Well i do that and what do I see the CLB so I'm thinking maybe the relay took a crap. So I grab it and it pulls right out it was not connected at all but to itself. I also noticed it's a K harness from GM so the previous owner was correct when he said he had the recall done. SO this now concerns me so why is the K harness just tucked up in there connected to itself???


Now here is where I start to get thinking and I'm not bashing the shop because I have no proof the harness was never connected. I bought the car with 38k and it now has 51K. I never once had a column issue or anything else. I took the car to a reputable shop to intsall my Spec 3,flywheel, starter, new slave and fluids. I got the car back and put 556 miles on it before I got the dreaded pull key wait fuel cut column issues. When I pulled the column panels today like I said the K harness was in there tucked up but connected to itself and nothing else. IS it a freak accident that the car ran all those miles fine I take it to the shop and I get it back and 500 plus miles later I get the column issue and find out that my K harness is not connected.

So either the shop disconnected it from the column connected it back to itself and tucked it up there hoping I would bring it back and get more money?

Or when it was brought to GM the first time the tech started to install the harness tucked it up there never disconnected it to connect to the other harness on the column got busy with something else cames back buttoned everything up and said gtg and it ran fine for 13K then just happened to freak out after i take it to the other shop? What do you guys think
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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
So what did YOU do to correct the problem????.

Nothing I just connected the K harness back to where you would connect a CLB.

Not uncommon for people to have problems with the GM K Harness ( which by the way is NOT a CLB) and leave it hanging there. I have suggested to many that they go back to the factory wiring setup when they had column lock issues. The relay in the K Harness is pretty much guaranteed to fail.

So what do folks do after they disconnect it? Put in a CLB?

Was there a CLB installed?? Here's a link to what a CLB looks like:

No there was not just the K harness

http://www.corvettesofdallas.com/pro...products_id=54

The square box with the single wire is the CLB. The other device is a cigarette lighter adapter used to get the column unlocked when installing the CLB.

Was the actuator connector connected to the fixed female connector under the dash?????


Yes it was connected in the stock configuration

Without a CLB or the actuator connected or the K Harness connected you would have been getting the errors since the day you bought the car. The shop you had do your mods probably has no clue that the column lock problem even exists. They were not toying with you in any way.
I believe you are correct I could not see that happening from them . But if the K harness was disconnected from awhile ago how was it running all this time in the stock configuration and now all of a sudden after 12k miles I'm getting the errors unless I hook up the K harness?

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^ Thanks for the info I will go ahead and order one it just struck me odd that it was just tucked in there like that. It makes sense that they may of gone back to the factory wiring due to that K harness.
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I tried everything with mine. Best option is to get your PCM reprogrammed. I did mine and the car runs fine but I still get the codes. Even after taking out the old reprogrammed PCM and replacing it with a new one that was programmed back to stock.

After reading about a zillion threads on this topic, I think the repair is hit or miss and hope you get lucky. But the problem seems to start from a low battery.

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