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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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Default Speedometer calibration for changed wheels

Put a set of 18/19 Z06 wheels on a non Z06 (old wheels were 17/18's). Have heard that this could cause the speedometer to read incorrectly.

What is the difference in readings (%)??
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 02:37 PM
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Speed is measured at each wheel therefore your speedo should be dead nuts with no changing anything. Only with gear changes can you recalibrate the PCM.
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Originally Posted by Venomous
Speed is measured at each wheel therefore your speedo should be dead nuts with no changing anything. Only with gear changes can you recalibrate the PCM.
How do you figure tire diameter does not alter the sensed wheel speed?

And also wrong, no calibration changes are needed for a gear ratio change. On A4 cars, some transmission shift point changes are necessary, but that's the result of the RPM changing at given speeds, not the gears themselves.


To the OP, upgrading to larger wheels doesn't necessarily mean tire height changes significantly. Lower profile tires are used with larger wheels, this generally keeps the rolling diameter about the same, and little or no effect on speedometer accuracy. I am running 19/20" tires that are exactly the same diameter as the stock 17/18" tires, so no programming changes were needed.

If you post your rear tire size, I can tell you how different from stock they are, and how far off (and which way) they will affect your speedometer. Yes, tire height changes can be changed in the PCM calibration, but realize it only affects speedometer/odometer accuracy (and other tune factors which rely on MPH input), but not other systems like traction control, ABS, etc, that also use the wheel speed sensors to function.



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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
How do you figure tire diameter does not alter the sensed wheel speed?

And also wrong, no calibration changes are needed for a gear ratio change. On A4 cars, some transmission shift point changes are necessary, but that's the result of the RPM changing at given speeds, not the gears themselves.


To the OP, upgrading to larger wheels doesn't necessarily mean tire height changes significantly. Lower profile tires are used with larger wheels, this generally keeps the rolling diameter about the same, and little or no effect on speedometer accuracy. I am running 19/20" tires that are exactly the same diameter as the stock 17/18" tires, so no programming changes were needed.

If you post your rear tire size, I can tell you how different from stock they are, and how far off (and which way) they will affect your speedometer. Yes, tire height changes can be changed in the PCM calibration, but realize it only affects speedometer/odometer accuracy (and other tune factors which rely on MPH input), but not other systems like traction control, ABS, etc, that also use the wheel speed sensors to function.


You are absolutey right and I apologize for my forgetfulness sometimes. I went through this ordeal with my MN6 FRC and I now recall that I did in fact have to play with the tire diameter in the PCM to accurately get my speedo back to normal. Now that I remember, what happened is I went 19/20 during the same time I went 3.90 gears out back and was trying to fix speedo. I went in and punched in the accurate ( as possible) tire diameter and also changed the gear ratio from 3.42 to 3.90 in the PCM. It took me a few times to figure out to leave the gear ratio at 3.42 even though I had 3.90 and just get the tire diameter correct. Most vehicles I tune need both inputs written to the PCM for accuracy with the speedo.
A helpful tool ( remembering again) to use when adjusting for tire diameter and speedo accuracy is a GPS. After using the diameter I measured ( again as close as possible) I was still off a few MPH and after playing with the tire diameter in HPTuners corrected it to the exact values of the GPS!
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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Here's a web site to help you determine the diameter change of your new wheel and tire combo and the speedometer error with the change

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html


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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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old rear tires 275/40/18, new rears 295/35/19.

Based on the calculator, the speedometer is reading 1.8% slower than actual.

Good to know when "discussing" with the authorities.

Thanks for the help guys!
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Venomous
Speed is measured at each wheel therefore your speedo should be dead nuts with no changing anything. Only with gear changes can you recalibrate the PCM.
WRONG

it's the exact opposite. Please delete/edit your post.

for speedo calibration; it's not necessarily the different rims.... it's tire heigth. The factory overall tire heigth is 26.25 inches. If you chose taller rims - but lower profile tires - (where the net 'overall heigth' remains the same)... then the speedo will remain accurate.
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by multicolor99
Based on the calculator, the speedometer is reading 1.8% slower than actual.


but officier, based on my calculator I was only going over the speed limit by 2.98%
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Originally Posted by Venomous
You are absolutey right and I apologize for my forgetfulness sometimes. I went through this ordeal with my MN6 FRC and I now recall that I did in fact have to play with the tire diameter in the PCM to accurately get my speedo back to normal. Now that I remember, what happened is I went 19/20 during the same time I went 3.90 gears out back and was trying to fix speedo. I went in and punched in the accurate ( as possible) tire diameter and also changed the gear ratio from 3.42 to 3.90 in the PCM. It took me a few times to figure out to leave the gear ratio at 3.42 even though I had 3.90 and just get the tire diameter correct. Most vehicles I tune need both inputs written to the PCM for accuracy with the speedo.
A helpful tool ( remembering again) to use when adjusting for tire diameter and speedo accuracy is a GPS. After using the diameter I measured ( again as close as possible) I was still off a few MPH and after playing with the tire diameter in HPTuners corrected it to the exact values of the GPS!
Did this impact your cruise control? Mine didn't work if the car speed is above 50mph, i got the car from a previous owner who changed all the wheels and NONE is as per the stock size
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Originally Posted by Waelaburezeq
Did this impact your cruise control? Mine didn't work if the car speed is above 50mph, i got the car from a previous owner who changed all the wheels and NONE is as per the stock size
...and no codes?
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Originally Posted by lucky131969
...and no codes?
Zero DTC
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Originally Posted by Waelaburezeq
Zero DTC
So you can set the cruise control at 45 mph, and once you reach 51 mph, it disconnects?
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Originally Posted by lucky131969
So you can set the cruise control at 45 mph, and once you reach 51 mph, it disconnects?
It doesn't set if speed above 50Mph, but it does if less. Even if I set when it is less than 50, and increase it though the CC button the moment vehcile speed hits above 50 , thr cc gets disengaged
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Originally Posted by Waelaburezeq
It doesn't set if speed above 50Mph, but it does if less. Even if I set when it is less than 50, and increase it though the CC button the moment vehcile speed hits above 50 , thr cc gets disengaged
Tough to diagnose without a scanner to determine what is causing the disconnect.
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Praise the lord for this resurrection.
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