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Thats a crazy statement considering their sub 4 second 0 to 60 times..remember that car ZR1 is20 years old with 20 year old technology... If you never thought the ZR1 ( the fastest American production car in that era , was not fast.. you have selected memory .. So back in 1990 what was fast??? a stock production car...back in the late 60's a ZL1 Camaro was a fast car .A twin turbo Porche 911 was fast but it was also 80K back then they are 120K now...but after all the restrictions ( insurance ) of the 70 we are now just slowly creeping back there. HP wise.. 650 HP Cadillacs, and Corvettes and Camaros. Back in 1990 the ZR1 was a top dog.. the closest thing around to it was a Mitsubishi twin turbo, or a Dodge Stealth twin tubo, but those cars were only six cylinders with DOHC , but they were all wheel drive and weighed as much as a freight car.
he is just "comparing the two cars". like you said, its 20 year old technology. it was AMAZING 20 YEARS AGO. not in the present with the 550hp caddys and 650hp vettes like you mentioned. 375hp was ALOT then.. 375hp now is standard. 400-430 is common for your sports cars. and with better technology. i know its not much comparison, but my 275hp(stock)lt1 feels slower than my 2010 v6 camaro(300hp). 2010 having much more weight. and my 01 z06 is faster and funner than my built lt1. ls>lt
For a teacher especially a science teacher, your topic post leaves me flabbergasted.. I could expect this from someone who doesn't know Corvettes but for YOU !!! A Science teacher and know that you can not compare apples you pomegranates..
You are comparing an entry performance Automatic car with a touring rear that is lucky to see 290 rwhp, to a ZR1 with an all aluminum behemoth Mercury Marine 32-valve 4 overhead cams LT5 V8 that put out 375 hp and 370 lb.-ft. of torque. Actual Hp and torque was much closer to 400 hp..with slight mods these engine saw 430 hp in the 93 model year. Knowing Corvettes as you claim, why would you buy this car after owning a ZR1, and expect it to perform in the same fashion? Then come here and complain about it's performance.. BTW these LSX engines are the engine of choice by most professional hot rod, street rod builder today. Only engine platform with a 200,000 mile benchmark.
Its obvious that you did Not do your homework when you purchased this car..
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Bill aka ET
Critisizing me personally is just a little rude. How about showing a little more respect ? Go back and read the orginal post. The car now puts out 348 RWHP. That is about 435 net, or a little more. Even with 3.15 gears I should be able to yank the tires lose in 1st gear.
Seriously, what is the point of an automatic sports car if you want it to be fast?
Not all autos are slow,
I have a 6 speed now, but before this car I had a 98 Z28 Camaro LS1 A4 that was pretty quick. Just a shift kit, slp CAI, 3:42 rear, torque management tuned out and it ran great.
From first to second it would bark the tires anything above 3,500 rpm. If you ran it up further in the rpms it was a riot. I'd say it was dangerous on wet days if you didn't know how to drive.
Regardless, something is wrong with the car.
Try it with and without active handling on.
Also try flooring it right off the get go.
The problem is your gear ratio. While the car may not feel that fast, I still bet it runs 12's. Also don't judge a car by how it spins the tires. My car has 370 rwhp and does not spin in 1st and barely chirps on the 1-2 shift. It traps 116 MPH in 95 degree heat...
To those saying their stock ls1's spin from a 2nd gear punch...all that means is your tires suck.
Take it the track if you want to see what it really has...butt-o-meters are so inaccurate.
Critisizing me personally is just a little rude. How about showing a little more respect ? Go back and read the orginal post. The car now puts out 348 RWHP. That is about 435 net, or a little more. Even with 3.15 gears I should be able to yank the tires lose in 1st gear.
A little rude????????? You came in here disrespecting this car which you obviously know very little about... Respect... ??? You have posted 1 time a year in the last 6 years for a total of 6 posts... I, on the other hand have over 28,000 help posts between open forum and Private message in the ten years Ive been here. You are clueless about this car... I read your first statement, Here is a tip... traction control has to be OFF.. Car has to be put in Competition mode...
COMPETITIVE DRIVING ( Competition Mode )- In this mode, Active Handling and ABS are both enabled, but traction control is shut off.
"COMPETITIVE DRIVING" mode is important on a high-performance sports car like the Corvette. Experienced drivers, which you are apparently not, may find that some wheelspin and oversteer can be beneficial in competitive events, and the Corvette system allows you to operate the car in this fashion when appropriate, but then you have to know this before hand. Ive been on this forum a long time, Ive helped a few people over the years and have the pedigree to do it...Don't come in here complaining about poor performance and expect not to get flamed.
Last edited by Evil-Twin; Sep 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM.
Like others have said 3.42 gears and a torque converter and you should be happier that is if you don't have something else going on.
I put 3.42s and a very mild TC in mine last fall and it woke the car up for sure. From 35 mph and stomping on it I'll get some wheel spin and my coffee will jump out of that excuse of a cup holder. The only mods I have are a CAI and LS6 intake.
I take it you don't frequent the drag strip often, huh?
I had a big debate when I bought my C5 many moons ago. A4 or MN6, I used to do a lot of bracket drag racing and an automatic is better for the job. Add in the nasty Long Island traffic and the A4 is a no brainer.
I had a big debate when I bought my C5 many moons ago. A4 or MN6, I used to do a lot of bracket drag racing and an automatic is better for the job. Add in the nasty Long Island traffic and the A4 is a no brainer.
My car sure as hell is not slow
I love my A4, I have no complaints about it in the speed dept. The traffic here is a pain in the a$$ and the A4 handles it great and gives me plenty of time to relax, especially the drive home after work.
i just got back from trying this.
i feel disappointed now. mine wont even come close to doing this.
my 00 MN6 has the LS6 intake, long tubes and ECS mail in tune.
i hope yours has more mods than mine.
I doubt there's anything wrong with your car or build. Mine will not spin either from a 2nd gear punch. Launch like a scalded cat ... yes, spin ... no. He's either exaggerating, has a lot more mods than what he listed, or his tires are hard as rocks.
I had a '93 240SX with 155 hp at the crank, and that car could spin it's way through 3rd gear with snow tires.
I doubt there's anything wrong with your car or build. Mine will not spin either from a 2nd gear punch. Launch like a scalded cat ... yes, spin ... no. He's either exaggerating, has a lot more mods than what he listed, or his tires are hard as rocks.
I had a '93 240SX with 155 hp at the crank, and that car could spin it's way through 3rd gear with snow tires.
Im not talking about laying feet of rubber, at that speed, but it does break the tires loose momentarily, enough to cause the back end to get a little squirrely,then pulls like a raped ape. Tires are not hard as a rock. they are toyo proxes with about 9k on them.
Only other mods are B&B bullets. And earlier this year ran 12.6 @111 at the track.
The LS engines are quite smooth in their power delivery compared to many older engines. The power is "just there". So, many people have complained that they don't seem fast, but they are still quicker than the fast cars they remember.
At 348rwhp your new Vette will be quicker than the stock ZR1 you are comparing it too, even if you don't think it is. And if it really isn't faster (tested using timed acceleration trials and not your butt dyno) then something is wrong with it.
At 35mph the car might not be kicking down into first so it's running in 2nd gear but at the low end of 2nd gear. By this, I mean you are still in second at a rpm lower than where the car would shift into 2nd if you had WOT accelerated from a stop. Changing the shift points some more in a tune might get a kick-down for you. but then, just punching it at 30mph instead of 35mph might get the response you are looking for.
If I wanted to drag race I would have bought a mustang.
Vettes belong where there's corners.
This 8 sec Corvette will eat Mustangs for breakfast , lunch , and dinner,, all day long..... and in a straight line too.
There are lots of clueless people recently on this forum, who have no respect for this car or the potential this car possesses.. they seem to bitch about the car, and own one.. but apparently don't know enough about driving one.
Last edited by Evil-Twin; Sep 8, 2011 at 08:40 PM.
Im not talking about laying feet of rubber, at that speed, but it does break the tires loose momentarily, enough to cause the back end to get a little squirrely,then pulls like a raped ape. Tires are not hard as a rock. they are toyo proxes with about 9k on them.
Only other mods are B&B bullets. And earlier this year ran 12.6 @111 at the track.
Sorry buddy, still calling b.s. You ain't breaking tires loose at 40 mph with your power level without a traction deficit.
This 8 sec Corvette will eat Mustangs for breakfast , lunch , and dinner,, all day long..... and in a straight line too.
There are lots of clueless people recently on this forum, who have no respect for this car or the potential this car posseses.. they seem to bitch about the car, and own one.. but apparently don't know enough about driving one.
Nobody will argue that vettes can't be fast drag cars, but it was designed to be a sports car from the get go, not a drag car.
All that matters is that you're happy with your car and what you use it for.
I simply have a different opinion. It's impossible for me to enjoy a car that does the shifting for me.
This 8 sec Corvette will eat Mustangs for breakfast , lunch , and dinner,, all day long..... and in a straight line too.
There are lots of clueless people recently on this forum, who have no respect for this car or the potential this car posseses.. they seem to bitch about the car, and own one.. but apparently don't know enough about driving one.