Odd Misfire, Looking for help...
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Melting Slicks
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Odd Misfire, Looking for help...
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Car: 2004 Convertible A4, 20,000 miles. Very nice and clean car, completely stock.
Concern: Misfire at all times, worse when accelerating and is very violent under heavy acceleration where it wont move the car faster at all. Misfire is in bank 1 only. The only DTC is P0300 for misfire. With a Tech-2, cylinders 5 and 7 are the major misfires but cyl 1 and 3 misfire about 1/2 as much. Fuel trim shows -10% for bank 1.
Things I have checked:
Fuel pressure... Checks at 50 PSI at the rail and holds.
Fuel Injectors... All measure 12 ohms and have power at their connector's.
Coil Packs... Swapped coil packs from side to side and same problem.
Plugs and Wires... Plugs and wires are good, lot of carbon on cyl 5 and 7.
Grounds... I've checked the ground on the back of bank 1 cyl head and the ground at the frame on the drivers side, all OK.
I'd have to say this is making my head spin. If it was fuel pressure related or a short in the coil/injector harness it would make all cylinders equally skip at least in bank 1 (I think). The car is too nice and low mile for head gasket or internal engine failure plus there are no abnormal noises.
Next I will check the exhaust. Maybe there is a restriction in bank one (cat). Please help
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Car: 2004 Convertible A4, 20,000 miles. Very nice and clean car, completely stock.
Concern: Misfire at all times, worse when accelerating and is very violent under heavy acceleration where it wont move the car faster at all. Misfire is in bank 1 only. The only DTC is P0300 for misfire. With a Tech-2, cylinders 5 and 7 are the major misfires but cyl 1 and 3 misfire about 1/2 as much. Fuel trim shows -10% for bank 1.
Things I have checked:
Fuel pressure... Checks at 50 PSI at the rail and holds.
Fuel Injectors... All measure 12 ohms and have power at their connector's.
Coil Packs... Swapped coil packs from side to side and same problem.
Plugs and Wires... Plugs and wires are good, lot of carbon on cyl 5 and 7.
Grounds... I've checked the ground on the back of bank 1 cyl head and the ground at the frame on the drivers side, all OK.
I'd have to say this is making my head spin. If it was fuel pressure related or a short in the coil/injector harness it would make all cylinders equally skip at least in bank 1 (I think). The car is too nice and low mile for head gasket or internal engine failure plus there are no abnormal noises.
Next I will check the exhaust. Maybe there is a restriction in bank one (cat). Please help
.
Last edited by n8dogg; Nov 2, 2011 at 04:17 PM.
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Car: 2004 Convertible A4, 25,000 miles. Very nice and clean car, completely stock.
Concern: Misfire at all times, worse when accelerating and is very violent under heavy acceleration where it wont move the car faster at all. Misfire is in bank 1 only. The only DTC is P0300 for misfire. With a Tech-2, cylinders 5 and 7 are the major misfires but cyl 1 and 3 misfire about 1/2 as much. Fuel trim shows -10% for bank 1.
Things I have checked:
Fuel pressure... Checks at 50 PSI at the rail and holds.
Fuel Injectors... All measure 12 ohms and have power at their connector's.
Coil Packs... Swapped coil packs from side to side and same problem.
Plugs and Wires... Plugs and wires are good, lot of carbon on cyl 5 and 7.
Grounds... I've checked the ground on the back of bank 1 cyl head and the ground at the frame on the drivers side, all OK.
I'd have to say this is making my head spin. If it was fuel pressure related or a short in the coil/injector harness it would make all cylinders equally skip at least in bank 1 (I think). The car is too nice and low mile for head gasket or internal engine failure plus there are no abnormal noises.
Next I will check the exhaust. Maybe there is a restriction in bank one (cat). Please help.
Concern: Misfire at all times, worse when accelerating and is very violent under heavy acceleration where it wont move the car faster at all. Misfire is in bank 1 only. The only DTC is P0300 for misfire. With a Tech-2, cylinders 5 and 7 are the major misfires but cyl 1 and 3 misfire about 1/2 as much. Fuel trim shows -10% for bank 1.
Things I have checked:
Fuel pressure... Checks at 50 PSI at the rail and holds.
Fuel Injectors... All measure 12 ohms and have power at their connector's.
Coil Packs... Swapped coil packs from side to side and same problem.
Plugs and Wires... Plugs and wires are good, lot of carbon on cyl 5 and 7.
Grounds... I've checked the ground on the back of bank 1 cyl head and the ground at the frame on the drivers side, all OK.
I'd have to say this is making my head spin. If it was fuel pressure related or a short in the coil/injector harness it would make all cylinders equally skip at least in bank 1 (I think). The car is too nice and low mile for head gasket or internal engine failure plus there are no abnormal noises.
Next I will check the exhaust. Maybe there is a restriction in bank one (cat). Please help
.
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Melting Slicks
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No offense, but please read my post before commenting. It clearly states DTC P0300 is the only code present and Cyl 5 and 7 are a steady misfire where 1 and 3 are intermittent, more present upon acceleration.
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All the misfires are on the driver's side---What can happen one cylinder can have a mech issue & it will eventually foul all the plugs on that side
I would suspect a broken valve spring--take off the driver's side valve cover----also a compresseion check of that side as well--
I would suspect a broken valve spring--take off the driver's side valve cover----also a compresseion check of that side as well--
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Melting Slicks
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All the misfires are on the driver's side---What can happen one cylinder can have a mech issue & it will eventually foul all the plugs on that side
I would suspect a broken valve spring--take off the driver's side valve cover----also a compresseion check of that side as well--
I would suspect a broken valve spring--take off the driver's side valve cover----also a compresseion check of that side as well--
I did some research before posting and did find several posts on this. That seems to be more common when the fuse for bank 1 blows or all cylinders are equally effected. The harness was not rubbing against the back side of the engine (brackets, heads, etc.). That doesn't mean there is not an issue I can not see. Will still keep this in mind.
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I'll do a compression check and post the results.
I did some research before posting and did find several posts on this. That seems to be more common when the fuse for bank 1 blows or all cylinders are equally effected. The harness was not rubbing against the back side of the engine (brackets, heads, etc.). That doesn't mean there is not an issue I can not see. Will still keep this in mind.
I did some research before posting and did find several posts on this. That seems to be more common when the fuse for bank 1 blows or all cylinders are equally effected. The harness was not rubbing against the back side of the engine (brackets, heads, etc.). That doesn't mean there is not an issue I can not see. Will still keep this in mind.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Rochester New York
Found the problem today. The primary cat was clogged (not the baby pup cat) on the drivers side. I removed the exhaust, and fortunately an aftermarket H-pipe was installed so I was able to remove the second half of the mid-pipe to peak at the cat. Sure enough there was some cat particles sitting in the pipe. Slapped a new mid-pipe in and she fired up and ran smooth.
Very odd condition and I imagine the cat was only partially clogged. Both secondary 02 sensors looked healthy in the scan tool, indicating a properly operating cat. Oh well... on to the next.
Very odd condition and I imagine the cat was only partially clogged. Both secondary 02 sensors looked healthy in the scan tool, indicating a properly operating cat. Oh well... on to the next.