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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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Still getting oil in the intake. I empty the catch can every couple months and it's about 1/2 full each time. I pulled the throttle body off this past week to install a nitrous plate kit and saw this. I don't how long it took to get that much in there. Could be 2 months or two years.

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Can you post a pic of your catch can hose routing. And what brand catch can are you using?
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I think the best solution is to just vent the crankcase with filtered breathers. This results in no oil in the intake manifold.

Except for emissions testing time of course.

Another option would be to run a more race style remote catch can setup, but there just isn't much room under the hood.

Finally, my engine builder tells me that there are new oils available that don't flash to vapor near as easily. Resulting in less oil mist and less oil in the intake. I believe he said it was made by Joe Gibbs Racing, but it is very expensive.

Flame away guys....

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Can you post a pic of your catch can hose routing. And what brand catch can are you using?
Elite Engineering catch routed exactly per their instructions.
can inlet from Valley cover, outlet to the PCV then to intake.

Valve cover tube to coupler in front of the LS2 throttle body.
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 06:45 PM
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I think the best solution is to just vent the crankcase with filtered breathers. This results in no oil in the intake manifold.

Except for emissions testing time of course.

Another option would be to run a more race style remote catch can setup, but there just isn't much room under the hood.

Finally, my engine builder tells me that there are new oils available that don't flash to vapor near as easily. Resulting in less oil mist and less oil in the intake. I believe he said it was made by Joe Gibbs Racing, but it is very expensive.

Flame away guys....

Ron
Yeah I'm thinking about going that way and venting with oil cap filters. No emissions check here.
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SargeZ06
Elite Engineering catch routed exactly per their instructions.
can inlet from Valley cover, outlet to the PCV then to intake.

Valve cover tube to coupler in front of the LS2 throttle body.
Hose routing sounds correct.

I put the fixed orifice PCV "valve" in place of the original spring loaded valve, and seemed to cut down on the amount of oil in the catch can.

If your catch can is collecting that much oil, then the can is definitely working ... but something else is a miss. Wondering if you have excess ring blow-by or some other issue going on? Is this engine force induction?
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Hose routing sounds correct.

I put the fixed orifice PCV "valve" in place of the original spring loaded valve, and seemed to cut down on the amount of oil in the catch can.

If your catch can is collecting that much oil, then the can is definitely working ... but something else is a miss. Wondering if you have excess ring blow-by or some other issue going on? Is this engine force induction?
My PCV has been out of the car but I just put it back in after taking that pic. Would NO pcv cause increased oil in the can and intake?
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Originally Posted by SargeZ06
My PCV has been out of the car but I just put it back in after taking that pic. Would NO pcv cause increased oil in the can and intake?
If you mean no PCV valve in the line, then ABSOLUTELY ... there needs to be a metered orifice in the dirty side of the PCV line, or else there will be TONS of vapors/oil going into the intake manifold.

Without a PCV valve, the vacuum in the intake manifold is trying to suck the crankcase way more than it should be doing.

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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
If you mean no PCV valve in the line, then ABSOLUTELY ... there needs to be a metered orifice in the dirty side of the PCV line, or else there will be TONS of vapors/oil going into the intake manifold.

Without a PCV valve, the vacuum in the intake manifold is trying to suck the crankcase way more than it should be doing.
Ah that makes sense. Stupid user error strikes again. Thanks Zee.
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One more thing. When you say dirty side of the PCV line, what do you mean?
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Originally Posted by SargeZ06
One more thing. When you say dirty side of the PCV line, what do you mean?
I meant to say "dirty side of the PCV system", which would be the line between the valley cover and the intake manifold. The line that the dirty vapors travel through as the vacuum of the intake manifold sucks them out of the engine.

The "clean" side of the PCV system is the line between the front of the throttle body and the valve cover. It's the line that clean air travels into the engine to make up any air that is sucked out by the vacuum in the intake manifold. The PCV system is an actively flowing system ... dirty vapor filled air out, and fresh air in to create a washing flow through the engine.

Make sure the PCV valve is between the catch can and intake manifold ... which I think you said it was.
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