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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 02:44 AM
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I did. Two washers. Very nice.

Update: geez, be quiet already. He wasn't talking to you.
Hi. Just wanted to make sure I'm understanding your post. I believe you are saying that you have the Ripper and that you put in two washers while performing the anti-venom mod.

I have the Ripper also. I believe it was put in my 2002 Vert by the previous owner in 2004?

My only issues with the shifter/tranny are slight notchiness that isn't a big deal at all except that I have to be careful shifting from first to second as it has a tendency to grind ever so slightly if I throw the shift too quickly. I realize it might be a syncro problem and not shifter related.

19K on the car when I bought it a year ago and it was a totally babied car in every respect. Zero sign of abuse.

The problem hasn't gotten better or worse. I can slow the shift slightly and no grind. I can double clutch and no grind.

My question to you or others is, "Will the anti-venom two washer mod help to resolve this type of issue and make most shifts smoother to boot?"

Many thanks...


P.S. Again, no other big probs with this shifter/tranny except maybe the amount of awkward outside right arm leverage required to shift into 5th. But, I do yearn for the buttery smoothness in all gears of my old '70 Z28 BW T10 tranny or my '94 ZR1 ZF tranny. I would aggressively pursue any recommended shifter/tranny mod that that would yield any performance resembling those good old days.

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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by B747VET

My only issues with the shifter/tranny are slight notchiness that isn't a big deal at all except that I have to be careful shifting from first to second as it has a tendency to grind ever so slightly if I throw the shift too quickly. I realize it might be a syncro problem and not shifter related.


My question to you or others is, "Will the anti-venom two washer mod help to resolve this type of issue and make most shifts smoother to boot?"
Probably not. Grinding into second on hard shifts is usually a synchro issue. All the antivenom mod does is reduce shift effort. You can try realigning your shifter and/or checking the trans fluid but you'll likely have to have your transmission gone through to resolve your issue.

Seems like the number of these types of posts have increased recently for some reason... I'd highly recommend RKT56 should you decide you want an expert opinion. Rick is awesome to work with and you can't beat his prices or reputation.
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 06:48 PM
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Does sound like a synchro issue, but could possibly be a clutch issue also. There are a couple of articles around about clutch maintenance, one by Jeremy formato. Can't hurt to try, here it is.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ur-clutch.html
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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Many thanks gentlemen for the good advice and link. I've done the fluids recently. I will try the anti-venom too. As long as I don't speed shift the grind is a non issue and even a slight double clutch eliminates it as well.

I figure it made a quick "buzz" maybe five times in 6,000 miles so I'll probably be OK for many more miles. But, I'll try the recommended fixes as a precaution and maybe I'll get lucky. Thanks again...
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Old Sep 28, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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Switched last week from a B&M Precision Sport to an MGW unit. MGW is way over hyped on this forum IMO. Only difference in shift feel between the two was that the MGW required more effort to shift. Wasn't easier, smoother, nada. Considering the MGWs sell for 2x the price of every other shifter, I wouldn't buy one if I were upgrading from stock.
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Old Sep 29, 2012 | 02:23 AM
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Many thanks gentlemen for the good advice and link. I've done the fluids recently. I will try the anti-venom too. As long as I don't speed shift the grind is a non issue and even a slight double clutch eliminates it as well.

I figure it made a quick "buzz" maybe five times in 6,000 miles so I'll probably be OK for many more miles. But, I'll try the recommended fixes as a precaution and maybe I'll get lucky. Thanks again...
I'm assuming that by double clutch you are referring to matching revs. If that's the case and doing that corrects your issue that's a dead giveaway that you have a synchro problem. If you match revs when you shift your synchronizers don't do anything...
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Old Sep 30, 2012 | 10:17 PM
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I have the B&M Sport Shifter, which is the newer one (no springs and has vibration isolation). I like it. It shortened my shift throws by 1/3.

After market shifters aren't magic. If you want a shorter throw you will have a higher effort. It is all about mechanical advantage. If two shifters have the same throw distance they will require the same effort!

So you gotta decide how short/how much effort you want. Then look for a quality shifter that is well made, well isolated, and doesn't vibrate.

One advantage about the B&M that I liked is that I could reuse my stock rubber shifter cover that is under the shift boot. It fit around the B&M shifter body and with a little foam tape I got a tight fit. This kept noise and heat out of the console area. From what I have heard you can't do that with the Hurst and some others.
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Old Oct 1, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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I'm assuming that by double clutch you are referring to matching revs. If that's the case and doing that corrects your issue that's a dead giveaway that you have a synchro problem. If you match revs when you shift your synchronizers don't do anything...
Thanks, but, there is no tendency to grind unless I throw a fast shift and even then it is rare unless the car is still warming up. Anomaly or somewhat normal for this very notchy tranny?

If I need to throw it fast, simply double pumping the clutch without rev matching eliminates any grind. So, it is still a fairly minor problem either with a synchro or some adjustment. There is zero tendency to grind on downshifts, only upshifts.

I heel and toe rev match downshifts when racing and on the street I always double declutch and rev match to down shift. Saves the synchros and the gears.

What I was looking/hoping for, perhaps not explained sufficiently, was the frequent Vette Forum poster comment of "Yeah, mine used to do that until I ... .... ..."

Any tranny that measurably benefits from a jury rig solution like the "anti-venom" washer fix is not exactly a precision instrument to begin with as we all know.

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Ive had a Ralco short shifter in my Vette for a while now and I love it. Imo alot of these shifters are doing that same thing and people are just assuming the price makes the product better. I got the shift **** and shifter for I think $70 bucks shipped or something around that. It looks and feels exactly like I wanted it to. I Posted up about it and people told me i was crazy after installing it and assumed the quality wasnt up to par with the other shifters....they were wrong.
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