OH BOY!!! Let me get my popcorn!! This is why I have the CF running in the background all day while I am "working". :smash: :mad :boxing

Seriously, you might want to e-mail GTP and BLUTHUNDER about their MMS valve spring issues to assist you in getting to an amicable resolution of the problem.

 

Careful, they may blame you for the problem.
;)
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=289277

 

Dan, when did you have the work done ? I'm awaiting my new springs now and babying my car in the mean while....... :rolleyes:

Tripp

 

What...you don't think reverting it back to stock is a good solution from a professional motor tuner??? :smash: :smash: :smash: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Man, that is horrible. I really hope they step it up this time

 

Tripp, did you contact GTP or BLUTHUNDER to see what they are doing? If you have time, give me a call at work. John

 

Good luck I hope it works out, damn in the mean time I think I'm going to park my vette till the springs come in. I have valve train noise I sure hope It's common. :cuss
John I dont have your # at work, give me a call at 292-2508, we need to talk....
Tripp


[Modified by evil-1, 3:48 PM 6/18/2002]

 

Dan sorry to hear about your latest prognosis..I'll call you to discuss.
I'm confident that MMS will address your concerns.

Jeff

 

I am really surprised the problem is as bad as you describe it to be if you could still drive it around (??). Well, regardless, I wish you the best of luck with your car and I hope MMS comes through. :cheers:

 

MMS is still better than WCC imho...


:U WCC

Dennis

 

and both are better than Hennesy :rolleyes:

 

:sad:

 

[Hint...hint] Tell MMS you weren't racing and they'll replace it with a "stock" motor :rolleyes:

After hearing all this and they have the nerve to bring up the issue of "prorate the refund on the springs"? THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!

They give a shiiitt about their pennies over the quality of their work and reputation.

Oops....let's here the other side of the story first :rolleyes:

Hey did you buy one of WCC's coffee mug and T-shirts while you were there? They (WCC) will warranty these items even if you race with it :rolleyes:

Good luck to ya. These stories are so common with the shops here in So. Ca.

 

I think we have the same "kit". I will look out for any of those signs!
Did Al say what springs they are replacing with or are they using the same ones we all have on our MMS cars?

George

 

Hello dsk888,

I hope you have better luck with MMS then I did. After weeks of talking to them the solution that was not going to cost me any money was to revert to a stock engine. Sure they would have reduced the cost on replacing the engine with another 388 engine but it was going to cost me $5000.00.

MMS is the single reason I am selling my 2000 C5. I have lost complete faith in any mechanical ability they claim to posess.

More and more people are coming out with the MMS valvespring problems and i'm sure there will continue to be people for months to come having these same problems. MMS has made some of these customers "deals" on upgraded parts to "ease" the customers pain. Don't forget the bottom line here that none of these problems should have come up to begin with. It would have saved myself and others thousands of dollars.

I now have a 2002 Z06 and am thrilled with its out of the box performance. When the time comes to do a heads/cam when I have put allot more miles on the car I will choose a more reputable tuner like MTI, ARE, Cartek to do the job.

Thanks,
Aaron Lephart

 

GTP and dsk888:

I have followed both of your posts for some time and feel I can add a few of my experiences with tuners (DRM and MMS) and tuning in general.

First, I have spent far more than both of you combined at MMS and my car has been down probably 5xs as long over the last 8mos for work. This is not to brag (certainly not something to be proud of!), but to show you I have some experience here.

Second, to be fair to tuners, OEMs like GM spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and years on R & D for a single package and really do not "press the performance envelope" like the tuners do. For example, OEM cars do not attempt to get 440rwhp out of a stock motor like many h/c packages out. When you press the envelope you will get some breakage. This just happens.

Everyone breaks some valve springs. My DRM heads and cam package on my Z06 ate valve springs like popcorn. Did I think that DRM was a bad tuner? Not a chance! They are excellent and I would (and do) work with them anytime. MMS, like DRM and other tuners, got a bad batch of springs, and probably has had to adjust springs to take the new power levels being produced. This is life in the big city. From what I understand, they are really trying to make things right.

I broke 2 timing chains on my 427 in less that 3000 miles. Did I like it? NO. Was it my fault? NO, not even close. The first chain broke on the street at about 5000 just running through the gears. However, I did not launch a tirade on the net against the tuner, but rather talked to them and worked it out--this occurred MANY times on MANY different issues. And, just so you do not think this is a advertisement that has been paid for by the tuner through a special deal to me, I have paid thousands and thousands after the sale to dial the car in right, upgrade parts, etc. In cases like the timing chain, there is usually some compromise: I pay for upgraded parts (Katech chain, new dual valves, headwork, other parts and fluids), and the tuner pays for some of the labor, etc.

The point is that both the customer and the tuner have a great incentive to get the job done correctly. This can best be accomplished by working together and not by flaming each other.

If you do not want any complications with your car, leave it stock and settle for stock power levels. BTW, this is one of the reasons I want GM to bring out a stock Vette with at least 500hp and a warranty!

MMS is one of the few places I know of in the Western US that has great experience with the LS1/6 engines, has a dyno, does its own computer tuning on the dyno, offers an optional warranty, and stands behind their work.

If you want to really increase your odds of a trouble-free package, then wait until your tuner has done several of the identical packages to many identical cars--that is the tuner's R & D.

So everyone make nice!