Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid
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Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid
I need some help. So I'm crusing along, lovin Patch's installation instructions, and I get to the part where you apply grease on the end of the shifter and firmly push down the bushing. Well, it was late, and I wasn't thinking, so I mistakenly used the loctite instead of the grease. I left the car at home today as is, but when I explained my installation to a friend of mine, I realized that I used loctite, and not grease. What do I do? How solitified is the bushing going to be to the shifter? And how in the heck do I remove it? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
:lol: The grease is to help it go into the plastic bushing. If it's already in and seated, you're good to go. :cheers: The loctite won't harm it, it'll just keep it firmly seated. The function of the bushing is feel and isolation from rattles.
Quit worrying and enjoy! :cheers:
Quit worrying and enjoy! :cheers:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Patches)
Hi Patches. The installation instructions were a big help. I was under the impression that the stick pivits itself within the bushing as you shift into different gears. If that's the case, wouldn't the stick be stuck in one position, without movement in the bushing, therefore have the possibility of popping out?
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
Hey bud--welcome to the forum!! :D
My guess is that loc-tite would not stick to the plastic, and has probably simply flaked off by now-- If you're experiencing no difficulties, you probably caused no harm...
Unless you're really concerned, I'd say you're OK--
Though, if you want to be positive, opening her back up and visually inspecting it would be the best way to be sure.. :cheers:
My guess is that loc-tite would not stick to the plastic, and has probably simply flaked off by now-- If you're experiencing no difficulties, you probably caused no harm...
Unless you're really concerned, I'd say you're OK--
Though, if you want to be positive, opening her back up and visually inspecting it would be the best way to be sure.. :cheers:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
Hi Patches. The installation instructions were a big help. I was under the impression that the stick pivits itself within the bushing as you shift into different gears. If that's the case, wouldn't the stick be stuck in one position, without movement in the bushing, therefore have the possibility of popping out?
The loctite will do no harm and, as posted above, probably won't stick well to the bushing. You can pull it off to satisfy your own curiosity, but I would just leave it alone. :yesnod:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
MADD Skillz, I attended a Locktite Industrial Seminar some years ago. The Locktite engineer explained that for the locktite goo to harden up and work, that there must be the presence of metal and the absence of air. So I believe you are ok, there is plenty of air in there and there is metal on only one surface, not two as required.
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Patches)
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The bushing is just a softer covering for the shaft end. It's pressed tightly onto the shaft so it's secure and travels with the ball end of the shaft - it shouldn't pivot within it. When I installed mine, the bushing wouldn't move without applying serious torque after it was pressed onto the Hurst. The grease was to help it slide onto the shaft end because it is such a tight fit.
The loctite will do no harm and, as posted above, probably won't stick well to the bushing. You can pull it off to satisfy your own curiosity, but I would just leave it alone.
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Just keep followin' Patches on this and start worrying about your next mod (Catbacks?!?!) You're in fine shape!
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The bushing is just a softer covering for the shaft end. It's pressed tightly onto the shaft so it's secure and travels with the ball end of the shaft - it shouldn't pivot within it. When I installed mine, the bushing wouldn't move without applying serious torque after it was pressed onto the Hurst. The grease was to help it slide onto the shaft end because it is such a tight fit.
The loctite will do no harm and, as posted above, probably won't stick well to the bushing. You can pull it off to satisfy your own curiosity, but I would just leave it alone.
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Madd Skillz:
Just keep followin' Patches on this and start worrying about your next mod (Catbacks?!?!) You're in fine shape!
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Tom Talbott)
I dissagree that it should not pivot. I think it should a little - I think that's one of the reasons why it's there (IMO). Also, if it breaks, you cannot buy that piece by itself. You have to buy an entire shifter assemlby. I have the name of a company that supposedly sells just the plastic piece, but was unable to contact them a few weeks ago. Let me know if you need their number to try to buy that piece.
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (jschindler)
I agree with jschindler on this. The ball rotates in the plastic piece a little. At the same time, I agree that the loctite will not bond it.
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (jschindler)
j-- I'm not positive, but I thought that Fichtner was selling just the piece by itself?
I just thought I remembered hearing that in the thread the last time this came up..(maybe a month or two ago?)
Dunno...
Either way--
:cheers:
I just thought I remembered hearing that in the thread the last time this came up..(maybe a month or two ago?)
Dunno...
Either way--
:cheers:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (MDL-01C5)
j-- I'm not positive, but I thought that Fichtner was selling just the piece by itself?
I just thought I remembered hearing that in the thread the last time this came up..(maybe a month or two ago?)
Dunno...
Either way--
:cheers:
I just thought I remembered hearing that in the thread the last time this came up..(maybe a month or two ago?)
Dunno...
Either way--
:cheers:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (jschindler)
The socket cup is held fixed level regardless of shift lever angle, it sure does rotate. It's function of course is to be the interface between the gearshift rod and shift lever. Lubricant is suggested to maintain smooth shifting and minimize wear. Less significant but important to installation is that the grease helps pop the cup onto the Hurst lever. A small amount of grease should always be used.
[Modified by zrchris, 8:03 AM 7/3/2002]
[Modified by zrchris, 8:03 AM 7/3/2002]
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
If you haven't noticed anything, I would just forget that it happened and enjoy. I can't see how it would do anything bad. If it moves around like it should every so slightly, the loctite aint holding it and the piece won't come off anyway, so what the f??
:cheers:
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
Hey everyone,
Thanx everyone for your help and advice. I took it apart last night just to be safe. It appeared as though the loctite crusted up and created some friction when moving the bushing around the ball. I pulled the bushing back out, cleaned it up, and threw on some vaseline, since I have a bunch laying around. Tried it out, and it seems to be fine. The one gripe I have with the shifter is the noise. Have any of you placed anything inbetween the plastic hole and the stick, to control some of the noise? I was thinking of placing a sponge or even taking out that small plastic/rubber piece that surrounds the old shifter.
[Modified by Madd Skillz, 5:52 PM 7/3/2002]
Thanx everyone for your help and advice. I took it apart last night just to be safe. It appeared as though the loctite crusted up and created some friction when moving the bushing around the ball. I pulled the bushing back out, cleaned it up, and threw on some vaseline, since I have a bunch laying around. Tried it out, and it seems to be fine. The one gripe I have with the shifter is the noise. Have any of you placed anything inbetween the plastic hole and the stick, to control some of the noise? I was thinking of placing a sponge or even taking out that small plastic/rubber piece that surrounds the old shifter.
[Modified by Madd Skillz, 5:52 PM 7/3/2002]
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
After installing, I got some noise too. And being impatient, I tore up a small towel to about a 4" x 6" piece and stuffed it around the shifter. That pretty much stopped the noise...though it would look weird if someone were to ever look in there. I've thought that maybe some foam rubber cut into the right shape would work, but heck, since the cheapie towel is doing the job, why fix something that isn't broken?
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (gbm)
Hey GBM,
I did take apart the rubber insulator that was connected to the stock shifter, and placed it upside down. I have a feeling that's where the noise is coming from. I'm not sure if I should place it in the same position as was in the stock or turn it inside out.
I did take apart the rubber insulator that was connected to the stock shifter, and placed it upside down. I have a feeling that's where the noise is coming from. I'm not sure if I should place it in the same position as was in the stock or turn it inside out.
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Re: Hurst and Loctite...I'm so stupid (Madd Skillz)
Maybe make sure you put it in 'inverted'.
On the stock set up the boot faces downward. With the hurst set up, you want to have it facing up (kind of like a shift boot itself) :cheers:
On the stock set up the boot faces downward. With the hurst set up, you want to have it facing up (kind of like a shift boot itself) :cheers:
