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I'm about to begin my brake upgrade project. My 2004 vert is now 10 years old and I'm swapping out engine rubber (hoses/belts) as well as installing a new brake package (Baer Eradispeed +2 rotors & new pads).
Since I'm swapping out the engine rubber, I have decided to swap out the OEM rubber brake lines. Based on the research I've performed on the various braided SS lines, do I need any additional fittings or supplies or is this a simple remove/replace project?
In reviewing the previous threads on this subject, it seems Goodridge, Russel (Edelbrock), and DRM are the most popular. DRM in particular offers brass fittings and bolts to replace the factory style banjo fittings.
Correction required. None of our fittings are made from brass.
There is two popular ways of connecting a brake line to a caliper. One of them is to use a banjo bolt with a copper washer on both sides of the banjo.
Our way is to install a straight an fitting with one copper washer behind it. See picture below.
Thanks for the clarification. What is the benefit of your design compared to the OEM banjo bolt besides using one less washer? An earlier thread I reviewed indicated that brass fittings are preferred so I'm just trying to learn and make sure I understand why one set is better than another set.
I get asked a lot why we don't use banjo style bolts with our brake lines. There is many different opinions on this subject, don't feel like debating them. These are the reasons why we use and suggest a AN style setup.
1. When removing the caliper for rebuilds, and other service related reasons. The AN fitting provides a easier unscrew and screw it back on. No replacing washer and no losing of washers.
2. During pad swaps, and other times you have the caliper off. It is easy to loosen up a banjo fitting in the process.
3. On track we have experienced the banjo bolts getting knocked loose from chucks of rubber. On the street this really isn't a big concern unless you are rally racing or something. The AN style doesn't have the same leverage against it.
Now to answer your question about the ABS system going crazy with SS brake lines. I have heard of a couple people that experience issues with it. Not bad concerning that we have sold hundreds of brake lines. Those trouble cars can be fixed by grounding them with a piece of wire taped to the line.
Bottom line, if you are racing or tearing down your car often. The AN style is going to be far better then Banjo style connections. If you are just a normal driver, then the benefits are minimal.
One other thing that I would like to add. Our rear brake lines don't pinch off when the car is on a hoist or jack stands (full droop). I have seen many lines at out shop that are too short.....
Randy
Last edited by Randy@DRM; Jul 20, 2014 at 02:22 PM.
I get asked a lot why we don't use banjo style bolts with our brake lines. There is many different opinions on this subject, don't feel like debating them. These are the reasons why we use and suggest a AN style setup.
1. When removing the caliper for rebuilds, and other service related reasons. The AN fitting provides a easier unscrew and screw it back on. No replacing washer and no losing of washers.
2. During pad swaps, and other times you have the caliper off. It is easy to loosen up a banjo fitting in the process.
3. On track we have experienced the banjo bolts getting knocked loose from chucks of rubber. On the street this really isn't a big concern unless you are rally racing or something. The AN style doesn't have the same leverage against it.
Now to answer your question about the ABS system going crazy with SS brake lines. I have heard of a couple people that experience issues with it. Not bad concerning that we have sold hundreds of brake lines. Those trouble cars can be fixed by grounding them with a piece of wire taped to the line.
Bottom line, if you are racing or tearing down your car often. The AN style is going to be far better then Banjo style connections. If you are just a normal driver, then the benefits are minimal.
One other thing that I would like to add. Our rear brake lines don't pinch off when the car is on a hoist or jack stands (full droop). I have seen many lines at out shop that are too short.....
Randy
Thanks. I don't tear mine down often, however I do like the engineering value of the AN connections.
I get asked a lot why we don't use banjo style bolts with our brake lines. There is many different opinions on this subject, don't feel like debating them. These are the reasons why we use and suggest a AN style setup.
1. When removing the caliper for rebuilds, and other service related reasons. The AN fitting provides a easier unscrew and screw it back on. No replacing washer and no losing of washers.
2. During pad swaps, and other times you have the caliper off. It is easy to loosen up a banjo fitting in the process.
3. On track we have experienced the banjo bolts getting knocked loose from chucks of rubber. On the street this really isn't a big concern unless you are rally racing or something. The AN style doesn't have the same leverage against it.
Now to answer your question about the ABS system going crazy with SS brake lines. I have heard of a couple people that experience issues with it. Not bad concerning that we have sold hundreds of brake lines. Those trouble cars can be fixed by grounding them with a piece of wire taped to the line.
Bottom line, if you are racing or tearing down your car often. The AN style is going to be far better then Banjo style connections. If you are just a normal driver, then the benefits are minimalg.
One other thing that I would like to add. Our rear brake lines don't pinch off when the car is on a hoist or jack stands (full droop). I have seen many lines at out shop that are too short.....
Randy