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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 09:26 PM
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i read a lot on here but hardly post. I just would like an opinion on a cam I'm looking at. its vengeance vindicator camshaft 240/244 .605/.596 112+4. i was interested to see how street able this cam is and also it states i do NOT need head work done as is porting or polishing. whats the difference between the titanium retainers and the tool steel? is the titanium retainers worth the extra $80.00? would i need a ls2 timing chain etc? i would like to break into the 440+ whp. I am street tuned as of now and i have full texas speed 1 3/4 header, with a C.A.I. would this be enough to compete against my friends with c5z06 on a 150 shot and a cam with the same exhaust. I'm tired of being the slow one. also *note* i do not want to use spray as it is expensive and i would like to just stay away from it all together. any suggestion?


thanks guys!
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if he's cam'ed and on spray your going to need more then just a cam, my c5z with Lt's kat'd H, axle back and vararam makes 382rwhp now put a 150 shot and cam in the mix your talking 500+hp

your going to need cam, heads, fast 92 & ls2 TB to be in the 440 area if your a non zo6

titanium is lighter and stronger then tool steel
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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if he's cam'ed and on spray your going to need more then just a cam, my c5z with Lt's kat'd H, axle back and vararam makes 382rwhp now put a 150 shot and cam in the mix your talking 500+hp

your going to need cam, heads, fast 92 & ls2 TB to be in the 440 area if your a non zo6

titanium is lighter and stronger then tool steel
i have a 2004 z06. i was thinking H/C/I and then centrifugal supercharger. i really don't know what to do at this point. how much can these ls6 take?
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jumpinmeanz
hello all,


.... I just would like an opinion on a cam I'm looking at. its vengeance vindicator camshaft 240/244 .605/.596 112+4. i was interested to see how street able this cam is and also it states i do NOT need head work done as is porting or polishing. .... any suggestion?


thanks guys!
That is a huge cam....You will ruin the car for normal driving....And no, it wont run like stock with a good tune....
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 11:27 PM
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Definitely will want head work or aftermarket. You never "have" to. But that cam would certainly need it. I don't think it's a good street choice at although. Something in the 224 to 228 range makes great power while keeping low end. You want that for the street and drivability.
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 05:50 PM
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Definitely will want head work or aftermarket. You never "have" to. But that cam would certainly need it. I don't think it's a good street choice at although. Something in the 224 to 228 range makes great power while keeping low end. You want that for the street and drivability.
after reading more and talking with my tuner I've decided against going with that cam. would a 228/230 .588/.592 112+4 still be to big? i have two other choices as well a 226/228 .585/.588 114+4, and 224/228 .581/.588 114+4

i feel like a joke asking these questions but i want to learn and be more knowledgable on camshafts.
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Much better choices. You'll get a good midrange/top end gain and have good drive ability. Without spray or boost you will still be behind him if he's spraying. It is what it is.
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Old Aug 26, 2014 | 11:35 PM
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A big cam won't always ruin a car for driveability. It's all in a good tune. I have a cam that size and I drive my car everyday as long as it isn't raining.
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Originally Posted by Boss75
A big cam won't always ruin a car for driveability. It's all in a good tune. I have a cam that size and I drive my car everyday as long as it isn't raining.
It depends how you define driveability.....
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It depends how you define driveability.....
I define it as I get in the car and turn the key and it starts right up and then I drive away and it feels just the same as if I didn't have a cam... Until I mash the gas anyway
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I love my TSP 228R.
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Old Aug 27, 2014 | 06:12 PM
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I define it as I get in the car and turn the key and it starts right up and then I drive away and it feels just the same as if I didn't have a cam... Until I mash the gas anyway
HA. i mean don't get me wrong id really like to do this cam swap one time and be done with it. i do want to go with a pro charger kit in the future. but heavy cammed vettes sounds amazing. my tuner called the first cam choice a "donkey dick of a cam". any who how terrible is that cam in stop and go traffic?
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Old Aug 27, 2014 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by martysauto
Much better choices. You'll get a good midrange/top end gain and have good drive ability. Without spray or boost you will still be behind him if he's spraying. It is what it is.
what do you think the max i could go .230?
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I'd go a touch bigger, if you can stand a little odor. There's nothing like a nice lope to the idle, but beware of your stock clutch. Call Tick; I hear they're specing some nice cams.
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Old Aug 27, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul 75 L82
I love my TSP 228R.
I'm seeing a lot of good things about that cam what was your gain from using this cam?
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Old Aug 27, 2014 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jumpinmeanz
HA. i mean don't get me wrong id really like to do this cam swap one time and be done with it. i do want to go with a pro charger kit in the future. but heavy cammed vettes sounds amazing. my tuner called the first cam choice a "donkey dick of a cam". any who how terrible is that cam in stop and go traffic?
The car drives like stock in stop and go traffic. I am in an a4 though with a 3200 stall. That will be a little bit more friendly than a manual.
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Originally Posted by Boss75
The car drives like stock in stop and go traffic. I am in an a4 though with a 3200 stall. That will be a little bit more friendly than a manual.
With a cam with 240 deg duration?.....Not likely.....I think you forget how the stock car drives....
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With a cam with 240 deg duration?.....Not likely.....I think you forget how the stock car drives....
You've clearly never driven a cammed car with a great tune on it. It drove like **** after I put the cam in before I got the tune. Being that I also own 3 other cars without modifications, one being an LS1 Camaro without a cam, I definitely know that my Vette drives just the same now.
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Old Aug 27, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Boss75
You've clearly never driven a cammed car with a great tune on it. It drove like **** after I put the cam in before I got the tune. Being that I also own 3 other cars without modifications, one being an LS1 Camaro without a cam, I definitely know that my Vette drives just the same now.
so me being a manual, do you think it would be annoying in traffic. i recently started pulling daily driver duty on her. but once i find a decent dd she will be going back to the weekend duty
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Get the TSP 228R on 110 LSA. That will kick ***.
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