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So today I drove to the bank, walked out, started my car and saw the message: "Pull Key, Wait 10 Seconds."
Having no knowledge of whats that entailed, I shrugged my shoulders and thanked Baby Jesus for my clear button. I belt in, put it in reverse, begin to back up, and before I get out of my parking spot the car shuts off. I attempt to back out of the spot multiple times and every time, the car shuts off.
Important Stuff:
I saw the "Pull Key, Wait 10 Seconds" message multiple times, but when I gave up I finally saw "Steering Column Lock."
I can turn the wheel still.
The car, in 2006, had the GM recall relay installed by the dealer.
After browsing online for a couple of hours while waiting for a tow truck , I am confuzzled. I'm thinking the car is going to need a CLB (column lock bypass), except for one thing: When the key is out of the ignition and the door is open, it "Bongs" like the key was still in the ignition...which makes me think it may be ignition switch related.
The "Bonging" is throwing me off.
PS - I removed the BCM in search for the relay, but couldn't see anything that stuck out like a sore thumb saying "I am not OE!" What does the GM recall relay look like?
Looks like your Column lock bypass has failed and now you are getting the message on the DIC.
This happened to me also, the original owner had the factory recall done over 10 years ago, yet when I purchased the Vette, I got this message after 1 month of ownership.
Looks like your Column lock bypass has failed and now you are getting the message on the DIC.
This happened to me also, the original owner had the factory recall done over 10 years ago, yet when I purchased the Vette, I got this message after 1 month of ownership.
I installed a LMC5 and all is good now.
Vic
would your car "Bong" like the key was in the ignition when the door was open with keys out?
I had the CLbp done to my 02 c5 and it did it again, so I carefully removed the lock pin of it's duties and had my tuner turn off the speed limiter cut off. Car does fine but on a cold startup it says pull key, then says service Column lock... I clear it and all is good. I Might eventually fix it properly... But I doubt it.
Another thought came to mind as I reread your posts. Is the carpet on the passenger side wet?????
If yes then it is likely that the Column Lock Relay (CLR) got wet and is preventing the lock and unlock signals from going beyond it.
The CLR is in the passenger foot well and attached to the bottom of the dash and hanging upside down so that it can easily fill with water should the wiper well drains get plugged and the wiper wells fill with water.. The BCM does not directly control the lock motor on 1999 and newer C5's. The BCM uses the CLR to switch the voltage to the lock motor (or in your case with a K Harness to the K Harness.
The CLR is easily recognized by the color of the 5 wires going to the base of the relay. 1 white, 1 green, 1 purple and 2 orange. If that relay is filled with water you can get a replacement (take the bad relay with you to a parts store and get a matching replacement) and get around your problem. But I would NOT delay getting an LMC5. It WILL save you in the future........
Reason the water might have backed up into the car is plugged rubber udders.
If they are plugged you need to clean them out..........
Also for what it is worth I just read your profile. With the mods you have to the car you MUST have a tune on it. If the tuner used either EFI Live or HP Tuners software, they SHOULD have programmed the fuel shutoff speed to a high number. Any good C5 tuner using either of these tuning software products should have known to set the fuel shutoff speed to 200 or 255 MPH. This would have allowed the car to be driven even is the column lock system fails. It does NOT prevent the DIC messages but the car can still be driven up to the set fuel shutoff speed. If your tuner uses either product I would go back to them and insist they set the speed at no additional charge to you. If they used some product other than those I mention then they CANNOT set the shutoff speed.
I will take a look a the CLR when I get off of work today. The carpet is currently dry, but I have had a leak before due to the lack of GM sealant and cracked reveal molding. All is fixed now. After repairs, I took apart every chassis ground and cleaned them all and made sure the BCM and fuse box were clean and free of water/corrosion. The udders are cleaned and cowl area vacuumed ritually.
The car was tuned by Mike Norris back in 2009. I have aquired a HPtuners cable and software and am starting to dive into tuning the car myself. I'll raise the fuel shutoff speed, but I would rather fix the problem than the symptom.
In general I would agree with that tact. But when it comes to the C5 Column Lock Symptoms, there is no FIX for the problem. The only things that exist are cover ups for the symptoms to allow the car to continue to be driven.
The CLB and LMC5 and indeed the GM recall service itself do NOT FIX the problem. The problem is a huge GM Design Failure of the C5 Column Lock System.
The FIX would have been a change to the BCM to allow the column locking system to work properly without stranding the car owners repeatedly. That never happened and is extremely unlikely to ever happen on a car that is 10+ years out of production
So we are left with FOOLING the BCM into thinking the column lock system is functioning correctly. That is what the CLB and LMC5 do and the reprogram of the fuel shutoff speed in the PCM is a step that helps insure that if the CLB or LMC5 fail that the driver doesn't get stranded as a result.
While your intentions are noble they are equally foolish with respect to the C5 Column Lock symptoms. There is NO FIX, at least one that is permanent. Only gimmicks that fool the BCM so the car can be driven.
Good luck with you problem.
whats foolish is that they cannot design a properly operational column lock system.
Thanks for all of your help, man. I appreciate it.
I have the LCM5 installed, and a relatively new correct battery installed, and I got the "Remove key and wait 10 seconds" error 3 times so far! What gives?
I have the LCM5 installed, and a relatively new correct battery installed, and I got the "Remove key and wait 10 seconds" error 3 times so far! What gives?
Start a new thread with your symptoms, it gets too confusing trying to go back and forth with different symptoms and different stages of troubleshooting in the same thread. I will tell you though that you need to contact Compliance where you bought the LMC5 and they will explain why you're getting the warning and what you need to do to fix it. It's not a difficult fix.
I have the LCM5 installed, and a relatively new correct battery installed, and I got the "Remove key and wait 10 seconds" error 3 times so far! What gives?
High-jacked thread...start another one. Contact Compliance Parts.
Same thing happened to me. I was told to disconnect the relay and do the brown wire fix. It worked and all is well.
ANOTHER "Pull Key, Wait 10 Seconds" Thread
