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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 08:02 PM
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well, I damaged a wire changing plugs (they were pretty stuck, 5 years since last plug change).

So........wanted to get it done, so I grabbed a set of Premium
Bosch wires. Bosch makes the plugs for AC Delco, and I use all their stuff for the old Mercedes, so I figured there was even a good chance they actually made the AC Delco wires for them too.

WRONG. They looked fine, but when I did a quick resistance check, I found one wire with 320 ohm, and the other 7 wires read from 4000 to 6000!!!

I'm sure the car would run and not miss and probably be fine with that much wire resistance; but the 2000 FSM called for 700 ohm max; and there's gotta be something going on with Bosch's quality if there is that kind of resistance spread among a wire set.

So, ordered the GM red performance wires, and they came pretty quick,
they all ohm'd 730-740, very tight spread.

Now, about the 700 ohm max in the manual. The original wires on the early C5's had 320 ohms; but when they changed to the 0.040 gap and the iridium plugs, the wires went to 730 or so.
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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 11:02 PM
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Good thing you checked them before installing them. That is one heck of a spread on the resistance.
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x2, good job checking them out not many people are aware of even doing that... msd has had a bad reputation for this as well, I experienced it on my own car with a brand new set... I had 1 wire at like 2k ohms right out of the box... msd makes good stuff and a friend of mine told me that their problem is in the way the wire is crimped, this could be the case with the bosch's you had... when I relocated my coils I built my own wires using bulk msd wire along with their boots and terminals and I crimped them the way my friend suggested and they all came out great
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Originally Posted by neutron82
x2, good job checking them out not many people are aware of even doing that... msd has had a bad reputation for this as well, I experienced it on my own car with a brand new set... I had 1 wire at like 2k ohms right out of the box... msd makes good stuff and a friend of mine told me that their problem is in the way the wire is crimped, this could be the case with the bosch's you had... when I relocated my coils I built my own wires using bulk msd wire along with their boots and terminals and I crimped them the way my friend suggested and they all came out great

I've also seen this with multiple sets of MSD wires.
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The Wrench
well, I damaged a wire changing plugs (they were pretty stuck, 5 years since last plug change).

So........wanted to get it done, so I grabbed a set of Premium
Bosch wires. Bosch makes the plugs for AC Delco, and I use all their stuff for the old Mercedes, so I figured there was even a good chance they actually made the AC Delco wires for them too.

WRONG. They looked fine, but when I did a quick resistance check, I found one wire with 320 ohm, and the other 7 wires read from 4000 to 6000!!!

I'm sure the car would run and not miss and probably be fine with that much wire resistance; but the 2000 FSM called for 700 ohm max; and there's gotta be something going on with Bosch's quality if there is that kind of resistance spread among a wire set.

So, ordered the GM red performance wires, and they came pretty quick,
they all ohm'd 730-740, very tight spread.

Now, about the 700 ohm max in the manual. The original wires on the early C5's had 320 ohms; but when they changed to the 0.040 gap and the iridium plugs, the wires went to 730 or so.
Checked a new set I just bought, reading 6 were reading 2k ohm 2 were 400 ohms , they are going back to Rockauto
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 03:22 PM
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Thanks much.
This post brought good news to me, not that I am happy about the problems with your wires, I was glad I stumbled into a good buying decision when I bought the GM red wires.
PLus I now know to check the resistance against specs when replacing wires.

I didn't have the guidance of deep knowledge, I never even thought to check resistance, and don't have a repair manual .

I have considered getting the manual at times, but was concerned it might be too technical to be of much use for me. I am more of a Chiltons manual level of understanding. I know the dealerships have their top guy with factory training working out of these books. Do you have any advice about the usefulness of these books for a low skill guy ?

My buying decision was influenced , in part, by an old jag that was particular about plugs, something I had never seen before. Without the internal air gap in the factory stock Champion plugs, the ignition didn't work as well. Weird but true. I do know that electrical systems need balance, and I guess the old Lucas design was sensitive to any change. Ngk, my usual brand, was a strike out. Ever since then , I leave the ignition as it left the factory.
I had a few other learning experiences trying to modernize a system that wasn't broken.

The other influences on my buying decision were more direct. Posters here said the GM red wires fit the best, and a couple of hired gun restorers out of Texas, brought in for a museum event, spelled it out very clearly for me. Always buy factory parts unless cost is an objection. Made things simple, although my goal is maintenance, not restoration.

I know this post in needlessly long, and all about me. Just trying to offer something in return. I mean , some guys, me, dig reading about old spark plug problems. I even saw a display of antique plugs that had a fascinating variety of design.

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Originally Posted by strand rider
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I have considered getting the manual at times, but was concerned it might be too technical to be of much use for me. I am more of a Chiltons manual level of understanding. I know the dealerships have their top guy with factory training working out of these books. Do you have any advice about the usefulness of these books for a low skill guy ?
The books are, IMHO, extremely useful in that they answer many of the kinds of questions people post here. In fact many times, I have read a post and thought, Go read the manual! They are a bit off-putting at first, purely due to the size and the format, which is a follow-this-procedure approach, meant for reliable trouble shooting. They do tell you how to remove and replace things, which is very useful.

Personally, I could not imagine owning a box of rolling electronics like the C5, without having them to hand.
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Originally Posted by jackthelad
The books are, IMHO, extremely useful in that they answer many of the kinds of questions people post here. In fact many times, I have read a post and thought, Go read the manual! They are a bit off-putting at first, purely due to the size and the format, which is a follow-this-procedure approach, meant for reliable trouble shooting. They do tell you how to remove and replace things, which is very useful.

Personally, I could not imagine owning a box of rolling electronics like the C5, without having them to hand.
I guess you are right, one of the first things I realized was the simple need to understand how to remove the various fasteners. Guess how I learned, error, the less popular branch of DIY. I will work on my price objection.
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