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Hey guys, I bought a c5 corvette a while back and I'm having an absolute terrible time trying to fit these little electrical issues. Biggest being the hvac control. I know the control is notorious for going out, but I have no reason to believe it's bad. (It randomly comes on and works, and then will randomly go off. Sometimes the buttons won't work, but the switches will light up when I turn the car lights on) anyways, I think it's a wiring issue. I pulled some codes on the car, and here's the list of codes I got:
Pcm no codes
Tcs no codes
Bcm
B0432 b0502 b0507 b2482 b2527 b2587 b2592
Sdm no comm
Ipc no codes
Radio no comm
Hvac no comm
Ldcm
B2282 b2284 u1064 u1096
Rdcm
B2283 b2285 b2265 u1064 u1096
Scm no comm
Rfa no codes
when I cleared the codes on everything, the hvac magically worked again. I pulled every fuse to double check, as well as every relay and everything is good to go. Anybody see something obvious? Should I check grounds, is there a control module that's bad? Is it all just the hvac control and I'm in denial? Please let me know what y'all think. Thank you.
Last edited by Scholioso; Jul 18, 2017 at 07:47 PM.
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Awesome, I will check those. Quick update, the hvac worked for a second and I was able to pull one code, which was a sensor I had unplugged cuz I was working under the dash. Then when it stopped working again, no comm. Wtf
Update 2: I checked those connections, no corrosion. I was really hoping there would be. I did however, pull the bcm out and I put dielectric grease in the connectors (no corrosion, cleaned it with qd electronic cleaner, then put dielectric on it) and plugged it in, as well as I did the same to those data busses. This may be random, but the hvac worked again. Due to the randomness, I'm unsure on if this solved my issue or not. Guess I'll have to wait and find out. Tomorrow I will be pulling the grounds by the headlights and cleaning those out.
Last edited by Scholioso; Jul 15, 2017 at 12:53 AM.
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I checked accordion tubes, shook the trap out of them, visually checked to see if the wires were cut/shorting, no avail. Data bus connectors have no corrosion, anybody have any other suggestions before I blow $200 on a new control unit?
I'm really getting tired of this. I cleaned the two grounds by the headlights, no help. They were dirty/corroded. I have a 1997 car. The model number on the back is 09356081. Can anyone else confirm that this is the correct model for a 97? Or does anyone know what exactly turns the unit on? It has 12v at the battery wire, the ign wire does not. What tells the climate control to turn on? Thanks.
Electrical issues on the C5 can be very frustrating to chase down. I will state again that you need to get rid of all the NO COMM conditions being reported by the C5 built in code reader. Throwing parts at the symptoms is NOT going to fix the NO COMM conditions and will get expensive very fast...
Here are a couple of links about grounds on the C5. I suggest that you start chasing down ALL the ground locations in the forward part of the car, ie A-Pillar and forward.
ok, I just tracked the a pillar grounds down, again, dirty but not corroded. Cleaned and reinstalled. I will have to do the grounds closest to the firewall another night. Also cleaned ignition switch and reinstalled. Still no bueno. Is it the bcm that sends the signal to turn on the climate control? I'm thinking it is. If so, I think that's what's wrong.
No, the BCM is not involved at all with the HVAC system. The automatic climate control system which your car seems to have based on the codes in your first post above has its own control module that is the brain for the HVAC system.
I could post the wiring diagrams but the ones I have are for a 2004 and I am not certain if the diagrams for a 1997 are the same or not. If you want them anyway let me know and I will post them. If there is someone reading this thread and has access to a shop manual for a 97 or 98 perhaps they will post them.
If you have the owners manual for the car I would look up the fuses and relays that are involved with the system and check those fuses and relays as well as the ground points that are relative to the HVAC system from the links I provided earlier. If you do not have an owners manual for your 1997 then here is a link to a PDF of one:
thank you. Unfortunately, I have checked every fuse (pulled each one and inspected) and all of them were "good". I'm tempted to buy all new fuses and relays for giggles. At this point I'm lost. The ignition wire for the hvac (should be pin c5 brown wire on the connector) is not showing 12v when ignition key is on. However, even when pin c5 is given 12v, unit does not turn on. But, when unit does decide to work, pin c5 shows 12v. So I honestly don't know. I do have an owner's manual, just don't have access to it currently.
Ignition switch could be the issue. In the wiring diagrams for my 04 there are two fuses that power the control module for the HVAC. Both are in the passenger foot well fuse box. Fuse 27 has power at all times and feeds power to the HVAC Control Module on pin C12 of the connector at the HVAC Control Module. Fuse 18 is only HOT in the ON position of the ignition switch and feeds power to HVAC Control Module on pin C5 of the connector. It is a brown wire as you mention. Grounds for the HVAC control module are via pin C1 on the connector to ground splice pack SP202 and then to ground point G202. There are other fuses and relays involved but they relate to the AC compressor clutch and the refrigerant pressure sensor. If you have not already done so verify that SP202 and ground G202 are clean and tight.
You may be able to jumper 12v to the brown wire on the HVAC connector and with the key in the ON position or engine running see if the HVAC will operate. If so then the ignition switch is faulty, a very common issue on the C5. While it is possible to remove and disassemble the switch and clean all the contact surfaces of the switch, I suggest a new ignition switch is the best route if it is bad.
Here is a link to an ignition switch diagnosis procedure that you can also use:
Basically if the voltage at the fuses indicated in the procedure have voltage readings more than about 0.3 volts LESS than the voltage at the battery posts, then the switch is bad. Since there are multiple sensors showing NO COMM there is reason to believe that there is a single cause and the ignition switch certainly provides voltage to the sensors at start up. If that voltage is low then the diagnostics that most sensors go through at power up could fail and NO COMM could result. Lastly if you have not verified the battery do so. A good battery at full charge should have 12.7 to 12.9 volts measured across the battery posts with the NEG battery cable disconnected. A battery voltage of 12.5 or less may cause electronics on the C5 to not function correctly. If the battery is low have it fully charged and load tested.
Great minds think alike. I went back out and decided to check out the ignition switch, as I remember reading that exact write-up you posted. So I went out, disassembled the switch, and bam, two connections completely black. I cleaned everything and reinstalled, and like magic it works again. Also, I rechecked all the codes. I have a pcm p0410 (air system fuse keeps popping, even with a new pump, fuse box looks slightly burned/melted around air pump fuse so I thjink that got messed up, but that's another time) and the only things no comm are sdm, radio (aftermarket), and scm. So for this issue with hvac, I think I'm good. I'll report back in a week. Thank you so much for your help good sir.
So, after I fixed this mess, it worked great! Up until like 2 days ago. Back to the original issue. Hvac won't turn on. So I pulled the ignition switch apart again and bam, those same two contacts burnt/black again, not making very good contact. What the heck? What is causing this? Anybody have any ideas? Is the switch itself bad and I need to replace it? Or is the switch getting too much power and the contacts just can't handle it or something? Let me know what y'all think. Thanks!