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Old 09-19-2018, 07:13 PM
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Wouldn't it be wise to disconnect the neg cable on the battery while working on this? I remember changing the starter on my C3 and I made some sparks when I didn't.
Besides cleaning the pos bat connection on the starter, run a six guage wire from the B+ pos battery terminal to the B+ positive terminal on the alternator. Makes another path to charge the alt. Did it on my 03. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by JR-01
Wouldn't it be wise to disconnect the neg cable on the battery while working on this? I remember changing the starter on my C3 and I made some sparks when I didn't.
Yes.

I tend to forget to warn people about this because it's second nature. ALWAYS DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE FIRST, BEFORE DOING ANY WORK ON THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. This warning is especially critical when working on the starter or alternator circuits, where large wires can carry significant currents and arc weld parts to the metal engine block or frame members.
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From the top I traced down and found this loose connector. But I’m the pic above it looks like it is disconnected as well. What is this and should this be hanging unconnected?

could I have found my issue?




should this clip be plugged in somewhere? This is making me nervous
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Originally Posted by JR-01
Wouldn't it be wise to disconnect the neg cable on the battery while working on this? I remember changing the starter on my C3 and I made some sparks when I didn't.
Definitely!

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Yes.

I tend to forget to warn people about this because it's second nature. ALWAYS DISCONNECT THE NEGATIVE BATTERY CABLE FIRST, BEFORE DOING ANY WORK ON THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. This warning is especially critical when working on the starter or alternator circuits, where large wires can carry significant currents and arc weld parts to the metal engine block or frame members.

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Originally Posted by kh400
Besides cleaning the pos bat connection on the starter, run a six guage wire from the B+ pos battery terminal to the B+ positive terminal on the alternator. Makes another path to charge the alt. Did it on my 03. Good luck!
I wouldn't recommend doing that... In fact, that's a critical hazard considering the huge currents that could potentially flow in that circuit.

There is a 10 Gauge Fusible Link between the alternator's output post and the starter solenoid-battery path. Running that extra wire, would render this protection useless.
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Originally Posted by kh400
Besides cleaning the pos bat connection on the starter, run a six guage wire from the B+ pos battery terminal to the B+ positive terminal on the alternator. Makes another path to charge the alt. Did it on my 03. Good luck!
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I wouldn't recommend doing that... In fact, that's a critical hazard considering the huge currents that could potentially flow in that circuit.

There is a 10 Gauge Fusible Link between the alternator's output post and the starter solenoid-battery path. Running that extra wire, would render this protection useless.
I was thinking that the wire he proposed adding would make a good incandescent warning light when the main cable from the battery to the starter goes out. But the fusible link you mention would prevent that.

Adding relatively small wires to the charging system or ground system in a vehicle is almost always a really bad idea. They might function as intended when everything is working (almost) properly, but when there's a problem, they can provide alternate paths for current, and if the wire is small and ends up being an alternate path for starter current, the small wire can catch fire and cause all kinds of damage when it overheats from the overload from the starter. I've seen some older vehicles where if the main ground strap fails, the (mechanical) speedometer cable ended up being the only remaining ground path for the starter, and those vehicles had some really spectacular events if the main ground strap(s) corroded through from road salt damage.
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The reason I added an additional circuit to the alternator is because the factory setup runs to the starter solenoid, then the starter. Well, with all the heat in that area, there tends to be high resistance at the starter terminal which limits the amps the alt can send to the battery. I of course also cleaned that starter terminal before I added the additional wire. I also insulated that six guage wire with corregated plastic tubing. I am an ASE certified master tech with over fifty yrs experience, so I resent someone, even Bill Curlee from questioning my methods. By the way, the cable has been there for two yrs. and no warning lights or problems and the starter cranks the car better than it ever did.
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Originally Posted by GCG
I wouldn't recommend doing that... In fact, that's a critical hazard considering the huge currents that could potentially flow in that circuit.

There is a 10 Gauge Fusible Link between the alternator's output post and the starter solenoid-battery path. Running that extra wire, would render this protection useless.
I agree 1000% GCG !!!...BTW, I am an FAA Certified Mechanic/Inspector with over 42 years of experience with a major airline !!
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Originally Posted by kh400
Besides cleaning the pos bat connection on the starter, run a six guage wire from the B+ pos battery terminal to the B+ positive terminal on the alternator. Makes another path to charge the alt. Did it on my 03. Good luck!
Aren't you bypassing a critical fuse with that extra wire?
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Originally Posted by jr-01
aren't you bypassing a critical fuse with that extra wire?
50 amp in-line fuse.
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Originally Posted by kh400
50 amp in-line fuse.
You never mentioned a fuse in your original post about the wire. No fuse on the wire = BAD no matter who you are. With a fuse it would be OK.

But, you could just bring the original wire that goes down the back right corner of the engine up to the battery if you want to run a wire directly from the alternator to the battery.

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Is it ok to disconnect the negative terminal over night on the battery? Then reattach in morning and see how it fires up? Every morning it is a very slow start and if I wait over two days without starting it it will not turn over but a jump start it will. The alternator is charging the battery once running and no issues. Only in mornings. Is this an ok start to decipher what is going on?
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Originally Posted by stilambo07
Is it ok to disconnect the negative terminal over night on the battery? Then reattach in morning and see how it fires up? Every morning it is a very slow start and if I wait over two days without starting it it will not turn over but a jump start it will. The alternator is charging the battery once running and no issues. Only in mornings. Is this an ok start to decipher what is going on?
Yes. You will have to reset your clock.
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Originally Posted by stilambo07
...Alternator was good. However, losing power going from alternator to battery. The power was much greater at the alternator than at the battery with vehicle on...
Were you able to check this?:



Originally Posted by stilambo07
...Every morning it is a very slow start and if I wait over two days without starting it it will not turn over but a jump start it will...
Were you able to follow the troubleshooting procedure for abnormal battery drain as per Post 27 above?

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Just as another note, if your wiring looks like that picture above with the text then you need to do repairs. I see an insulation burn spot on the big red wire from the battery and I see a damaged taped up fusible link on the wire from the alternator.
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That's just a picture that I borrowed from another thread. I know... it doesn't look good , but it was the only one I could find taken from that angle 👍

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