I've got a 2000 coupe with an A4 and the 3.15s. I've read a few posts that mentioned "torque management" and the fact that it reduces torque by about 15 lb ft compared with the 6-speed. I've also heard that it can be "turned off" with LS1 Edit or the Hypertech. Can someone please explain what "torque management" is and if it's safe to defeat it? Yup...I'm lost!!! :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

I am tied up at the moment but I will reply to you later tonight. You'll love it when it's gone though. Helped me out quite a bit. Ohh, the HPP3 won't get rid of it. Only LS1Edit, custom programing, or maybe the Powerloader will do it.

Nice car BTW.

My times in my sig are with just an airfilter and no TQ managment so yours should be able to do it also or better. :)

 

I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks for the kind words about my car!!! :cheers: :cheers:

 

TQ mangment is tough to pin down. But in essense it is used to safegaurd the tranny buy cutting down on the amount of TQ the tranny sees during a shift where is the most hard on the trans. Our cars are set with a TQ limit of 350hp. Anything over this during a shift and the PCM will retard the timing to reduce the power the tranny sees till after a shift. Thats why the car will pull like mad UNTIL it is trying to shift then some cars fall flat on their face! Other is is simply noticable. I rode in a buddies 01' WS6 and he gased it while I was data logging with Auto Tap and I looked up as we were approaching a corner a little ways off and I looked back down to stop the data log as I noticed he had lifted, then all of a sudden I was planted back in my seat again as we took off! I was like WTF??? He then said "Welcome to TQ managment"... He said it was never that bad when stock but with his cam and exhaust mods he was well over the 350hp limit and the PCM was retarding a boat load of timing and essentially killing the car durring the shift. Then after the shift the timing came back and off we went again. Crazy....

There is much more to TQ managment but it doesn't really mater. All you wanna do is get rid of it right? ;)

I here the Powerloader by Steve Cole gets rid of it but I have no first hand knowledge so I won't comment. Ls1 Edit CAN get rid of it but it will take a little searching to find all the spots to eliminate it. See TQ managment resides in a number of diffferent functions so to effectivly get rid of it you have to change a few different settings. I think I have gotten all of them out of both my cars as they shift very firm now and the Vette actually tries to throw the car forwrd durring a shift rather than falling on it's face like it used to.

You can also get custom programing to elimiate it through Ed Wright or something but I would skip all that until you get more mods.

I personally like LS1 Edit because I can tune it any way I want, any time I want and with a little learning it is quite easy to make changes. I can change my timing according to the type of gas I use (pump or race), or for nitrous runs or even for running MAX N/A runs where the car is tuned to the raged edge (have not done this yet but plan on it) ;) Shift points, fan settings, rev limits, Codes, etc. etc.

Now in theory, yes deleting TQ managment CAN hurt your tranny in the long run, if it couldn't then why would GM have put it there? It is to save your clutch packs and such. BUT not many people have had direct failures because of it that we know of.

Deleting TQ Managament will not net you a ton of HP or help you a ton in the 1/4 until you're making alot more HP than stock but if you plan on buying any kind of PCM upgrade for your car then LS1 Edit would be a good choice if you are somewhat computer savy. I have it on 2 cars now and it is WAY better than a Hypertech unit or Powerloader if you like to tweak things and for $550 it is worth it's weight in gold to me.

Not sure if any of this rambling helps but this is my experience with it. If you have any questions lemme know. If you decide to get LS1 Edit, there is a wealth of knowledge on LS1Tech.com in the Computer/Diagnostic forum http://www.ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/u...3;DaysPrune=20 Just do searches. There is also a site put up by a member there dedicated to LS1 Edit and it's basic programing.

Ohh, here is a pic of my car. Dejavu huh? ;)

 

F8LPONY...Damn!!! Thanks for all of the information. I feel like I'm an informed consumer now! It sounds to me like I should invest in the LS1 Edit. My credit card is almost completly melted now, but I think I have a little more left for mods!!!

That is one sweet looking ride...although I'll admit that I'm a bit biased!!

Again, thanks for the boatload of information. I really, really appreciate it!!!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

 

NP bro!

If you end up buying LS1 Edit shoot me an email and I can walk you through some of the basic stuff and direct you to the hard core info that gets me all confused. ;)

Ohh, can help ya with info on lowering your ride also if you ever feel the urge.

 

Very well said F8LPONY.. The botrtom line is that the Torquemanagement system was put in place for the masses to be pleased with the shifting characteristics of the car.We here at CF MODAHOLICS ANONYMOUS would never have such a sytem on our cvar and would recommend you delete it at your earliest convenience!! :smash: The difference is night and day and to be sure you will need a Transgo shift kit installed to realize the full potential of your A4's performance!! The Transgo shift kit is the best bang for the buck secret mod for the A4....Bar none!:nono: Do it!!.. you won't be sorry:smash:

There is more information on the Transgo here http://www.txchange.com/transgo.htm :smash: and there are install pics on my home page..:D

 

Cartek installed a switch that when engaged it removes the torque management when ever I chose. I just open the ashtray cover, flip the switch, and it's gone. The only downside is my speedometer stops working and the gate to block out reverse doesn't seem to be closed so I have to be real carefull with the shifting.

 

Id that for TQ managment or is it a converter lock up switch?

 

The guy promoting the Predator claims TQM is eliminated on both the C5 auto and Z06 with that product. It does it automatically with the flash download, there is no manual control or manipulation provided

caveat emptor or whatever

 

The switch is for torque management :cheers: