Guages and windows dying ??
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Racer
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Guages and windows dying ??
Recently as I am driving, all of my guages will die and my windows will not work. After I park, and a few hours later, everything works like a charm! Today was third day of this issue and first time it actually went out and came back on in same short trip. Anybody have any idea what this could be and how to fix it? I dont want to live in fear of rolling down windows for fear of them dying on me while down. Everything else works fine including dash lights, headlights, high beams, automatic locks, stereo, and mirror adjustments. Just the guages and automatic windows coming and going. Any ideas? Thanks!
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Melting Slicks
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Might be just a dirty contaminated ignition switch or/and key. Try squirting some CRC Mass Air Flow Sensor Cleaner in the key slot and the key. It did the fix on my '04 several years ago and just worked on my DD that had a no start issue.
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Does this actually work to clean the ignition switch? This wont damage anything?
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Start with the wiring that goes from the door to the chassis. Pull the rubber door accordion off the chassis side and fish the wires and connector out of the chassis. Make sure the pins fit tight into the female ends.
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It is highly likely the act of opening and closing the door is what "fixes" your issue and not the sitting for a period of time. The next time it happens, you could stop, keep the engine running, open the door, and wiggle the wires in the accordion to see if it affects the situation.
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It is highly likely the act of opening and closing the door is what "fixes" your issue and not the sitting for a period of time. The next time it happens, you could stop, keep the engine running, open the door, and wiggle the wires in the accordion to see if it affects the situation.
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There is a male and female style connectors, the female connector has sockets, the male connector has pins, disconnect the two connectors and look for deformed contacts on the female connector. And no you are not removing wires.
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What would be my course of action upon finding damage?
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Here is an excerpt from one of Bill Curlee's posts. Bill is an active member on this forum.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
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Here is an excerpt from one of Bill Curlee's posts. Bill is an active member on this forum.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
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Last edited by GCG; Sep 27, 2019 at 12:21 AM.
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It is highly likely the act of opening and closing the door is what "fixes" your issue and not the sitting for a period of time. The next time it happens, you could stop, keep the engine running, open the door, and wiggle the wires in the accordion to see if it affects the situation.
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Jul 2019
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Here is an excerpt from one of Bill Curlee's posts. Bill is an active member on this forum.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
The rubber accordion tube between the doors is a conduit for the door WIRE HARNESS. Disconnect accordion tubes between the door and door frame. They easily pop in and out.
The door connectors live inside the hole in the DOOR FRAME "A" PILLAR. Fish the connectors out of the hole in the door frame. Yes,,, Its Short and will not pull out very far.
Disconnect the connectors and examine the male and female pins. The FEMALE pins in the connectors are easily damaged by heat and vibration and distort. When they distort, they make a POOR CONNECTION and any vibration can cause the power to that module to turn on and off rapidly. This causes the serial data buss data corruption. My ZO6 brand new purchased by ME from a dealer in 02 had bad pins and it was NEVER disturbed previously!! CRAZY!
Here is a good example of a power plug with a damaged FEMALE PIN:
The only way to properly test the female pins for proper mechanical contact with the male pin is to insert a proper size male pin into the female pin. Here is a picture of a pin that I use to test female pins:
When you insert the pin into the female pin, you should feel resistance inserting and removing it.
To fix the pin properly you should replace it BUT,,, if your careful, you can use a metal pick (I use a dental pick) and bend the metal tong back in place so that it makes positive contact with the male pin.
Female end for sure looks bent and in need of some sprucing up. Once i reconnected both and reattatched battery, i cranked the car and guages still didnt work. I wiggled these wires directly and nothint changed. Do you still think this could be the issu .
Last edited by Bstan1009; Sep 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM.