Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
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Those are some very expensive and ancient technology tires. They are still kicking around because rich guys are still replacing their OEM tires on their high dollar exotics so Michelin is still banking cash off them.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
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Those are some very expensive and ancient technology tires. They are still kicking around because rich guys are still replacing their OEM tires on their high dollar exotics so Michelin is still banking cash off them.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
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Those are some very expensive and ancient technology tires. They are still kicking around because rich guys are still replacing their OEM tires on their high dollar exotics so Michelin is still banking cash off them.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
I'd reccomend a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s in 275/40/R17 and 275/40R18. Great tires for a great price.
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In response to above, the PS2 dates back all the way to around 2003, and they are on the PS4 now. Tire technology has changed drastically even over the past few years. The Indy 500s for example, were released in 2016.
As a fellow owner of PS2s (bought new by myself) and the Firehawk 500s, I find the Firehawks to have better traction in the dry. Haven't fooled around in the rain like I used to, but they seem fine. Ride quality is similar, the sidewall in both sets of tires is pretty soft compared to the ridged side walls of Bridgestone Pole Position Sports or BFG Comp-2 sports
As a fellow owner of PS2s (bought new by myself) and the Firehawk 500s, I find the Firehawks to have better traction in the dry. Haven't fooled around in the rain like I used to, but they seem fine. Ride quality is similar, the sidewall in both sets of tires is pretty soft compared to the ridged side walls of Bridgestone Pole Position Sports or BFG Comp-2 sports
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In response to above, the PS2 dates back all the way to around 2003, and they are on the PS4 now. Tire technology has changed drastically even over the past few years. The Indy 500s for example, were released in 2016.
As a fellow owner of PS2s (bought new by myself) and the Firehawk 500s, I find the Firehawks to have better traction in the dry. Haven't fooled around in the rain like I used to, but they seem fine. Ride quality is similar, the sidewall in both sets of tires is pretty soft compared to the ridged side walls of Bridgestone Pole Position Sports or BFG Comp-2 sports
As a fellow owner of PS2s (bought new by myself) and the Firehawk 500s, I find the Firehawks to have better traction in the dry. Haven't fooled around in the rain like I used to, but they seem fine. Ride quality is similar, the sidewall in both sets of tires is pretty soft compared to the ridged side walls of Bridgestone Pole Position Sports or BFG Comp-2 sports
And yes, I do have PS2's, up front on my car and I am more than happy with them.
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The PS2 started in 2003
The PS3 was introduced in 2010.
If they changed the PS2 compound, it wasn't ever documented to the public that I could find. Might message Michelin
The PS3 was introduced in 2010.
If they changed the PS2 compound, it wasn't ever documented to the public that I could find. Might message Michelin
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Uh, no, PS2's were produced long after 2009. My 2018 data book still has them listed. There was no such designation as a "PS3" either. It was Pilot Sport 3. I'll give you one guess which manufacturer I work for.
Fact of the matter is before you start ******* something as ancient based off of personal preference, be prepared to come to the table with facts to someone who is actually educated in the field. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am pointing out that you made a very generalized and incorrect statement.
Fact of the matter is before you start ******* something as ancient based off of personal preference, be prepared to come to the table with facts to someone who is actually educated in the field. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am pointing out that you made a very generalized and incorrect statement.
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Well the PS3 still came out in 2010
I never claimed they were ancient, that was someone else. I'm not saying they're a bad tire, they were good, just not better than the Indy 500s IMO. There are reasons they came out with the PS3 and PS4.
I was pointing out that all tire companies have made advancements in rolling resistance, silica compounds, more synthetic compounds, and other properties since the release of a tire from 2003. In this instance, that means looking at each generation of the Pilot Sport series would probably show a difference in chemical and physical composition of each generation, which Michelin does claim. This is not "very generalized and incorrect"
I never claimed they were ancient, that was someone else. I'm not saying they're a bad tire, they were good, just not better than the Indy 500s IMO. There are reasons they came out with the PS3 and PS4.
I was pointing out that all tire companies have made advancements in rolling resistance, silica compounds, more synthetic compounds, and other properties since the release of a tire from 2003. In this instance, that means looking at each generation of the Pilot Sport series would probably show a difference in chemical and physical composition of each generation, which Michelin does claim. This is not "very generalized and incorrect"
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Even if PS2 has been upgraded with newer compounds, we are still talking about a 15 year old tire. If it was just as good at PS4 or others what's the point of having 2 competitive offerings from the same company? And why would you spend $100 more per tire for "equivalent" performance? I'm sure PS2 is a fine tire but the value is most assuredly NOT there. I can't recommend people to buy it because there are objectively better options out there and I have used many of them myself on my own car. YMMV.
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I work in the thermoplastic industry with close ties to automotive manufacturing. Sometimes we make changes in our products to update patents. May not be a significant improvement, only a minor design change that allows us to retain or gain a new patent. It could be for the benefit of our own process or it could benefit the end user. I don't know if this happens in the tire industry as well but patents might play a part in design changes.
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